Supernatural: Our Father, Who Aren't in Heaven
December 12, 2019 6:36 PM - Season 15, Episode 8 - Subscribe

When Rowena went to Hell, I wondered if she'd end up running the place. The show seemed to be trying to sell this as a happy ending for the character, but I think it's actually kind of sad. The campy-evil Rowena of a few seasons back would have been a natural as queen of Hell, but lately she seemed like she genuinely wanted to reform and do good. Having her sit on a throne and bark orders at demons in Hell (and presumably torture the damned) seems like major backsliding for her. So much for saving her soul, I guess.

They finally, finally dealt with the Adam and Michael thing, and that was good, although I would have liked the brothers to give SOME reason why they never tried to go back for Adam. This season has been fun but a lot of these returning characters have been gone so long I struggle to remember what their deal was. I knew this version of Michael wasn't as bad as the alt-Michael from last season, but I couldn't remember if he was a Big Bad or just a regular dick angel. I was meaning to look up Lilith's deal on the wikis, but now it seems like there's maybe not much point. When Michael poofed her away, I'm not sure if he killed her or not. I'm guessing he did, since (IIRC) her clothes were left behind.

When Chuck spoke through Donatello and told them to lay off, it kind of seemed like there was an opportunity to negotiate with him there. Like, he wasn't being super antagonistic, it was kind of a passive-aggressive "friendly warning," and it's not impossible he would have agreed to go away and start a new universe someplace and leave them alone. If they do indeed end up locking him away, Amara-style, that will be kind of underwhelming given that they've already announced they were gonna do it halfway through the season. I suspect that whatever the finale is, it's not that. (I can almost picture them de-powering Chuck and leaving him stranded on Earth as a human. Just a stranger on the bus, trying to make his way home...)

Even now I confess I'd still kind of like to see Chuck redeemed, for him to realize he's being an asshole, feel guilty and fix all his messes, but I suspect things won't go that way either. Given that he's seemingly killing casinos full of people on a whim, he seems to have gone over to full Big Bad. I wonder if those people are really DEAD-dead, though. When he poofed away Becky and her family, he made a point of saying they weren't dead. If he's really killing people for getting his drinks wrong now, it seems like things have escalated in a hurry!

So they're off to Purgatory in 2020. It's definitely been a prominent part of the series, so it fits the nostalgia tour that is our final season, but I don't know if anybody anywhere was clamoring for more Purgatory. I don't think this show has ever actually been bad, but the Dick Roman era was about as close as it got.

I don't know what it is about this show, but I start writing a comment and the next thing I know I've got this wall of text!
posted by Ursula Hitler at 1:40 AM on December 13, 2019

I don't know what it is about this show, but I start writing a comment and the next thing I know I've got this wall of text!

It would appear I am alone in this.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 9:37 PM on December 15, 2019

More that I read fanfare on my phone, which makes the wall of text harder.

I agree - Rowena as Queen of Hell seems three season ago. I am underwhelmed by Eileen coming back honestly - but I guess we weren’t bringing Jo back for Dean’s long term hunter love interest - so it is what it is. It would be ironic if Sam and Eileen end up together long term and bring kids into the life, considering how much Sam hated growing up in it.

I liked the short call back to Lisa and Ben and the Vet. A subtle nudge to the audience that the guys will never hang up their holsters and go live a civilian life as a happy ending. Plays on last weeks episode theme too. They’re either going to ride off into the sunset to kill a MOTW another day, or die trying. Or maybe God resets their universe to the French Connection where there are no monsters ?
posted by Suffocating Kitty at 9:52 PM on December 15, 2019

"You called me assbutt and sent me to hell" sums up the entire damn series.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:41 PM on December 16, 2019 [5 favorites]

I liked seeing Rowena as Queen of Hell. I wouldn't be surprised if she implements some reforms, being largely reformed herself. We didn't see any evidence that torture was going on.

I'm hoping we'll see Benny again when they get to Purgatory. I liked Benny. It would be nice if he could get some kind of happy ending, though I'm not sure how that could happen.

I wonder if at some point Sam and Dean are going to make a deal with Billie and/or the thing in the Empty where they trade all the souls in Hell and/or Purgatory and/or Heaven for Jack and/or Cas. That could be how Cas gets saved if he gets sent there as threatened. They may not have much reason to try to get Jack back, but maybe they'll realize they need him to fight God.
posted by Redstart at 7:16 AM on December 17, 2019

fun little trivia I found digging around the wiki: Benny's past lover, Andrea Kormos, is played by Athena Karkanis, who was in season 1 of The Expanse and was in Manifest.
posted by numaner at 9:54 AM on December 17, 2019


Castiel: Do you remember me?
Michael: You called me "ass butt" and set me on fire. And then you helped send me to hell.

Castiel: You know, Michael, I never really liked you. Even when I was just another angel, I thought you were too haughty. To paraphrase a friend, you had an entire oak tree shoved up your ass.

Rowena: You did say you wanted to see the one in charge?
Dean: Rowena, we thought you were dead.
Rowena: Oh, I am, dear. Pretty much everyone here is. When I closed the fissure, it did cost me my life, and my soul went to hell. Big surprise.
Castiel: And the demons just... handed you the throne?
Rowena: No one hands you anything, darlin'. I took it.

Sam: God has to exist to maintain the balance of the universe. Without him, creation would fall apart.
Dean: Right, so, the best thing to do is toss him in solitary and throw away the key.
Donatello: Okay, but the last time, it took the power of God to do this? I mean, even if he has a hidden flaw, do you have the power of God?
Sam: You know what? Uh, what one step at a time. You figure out how to lock him up, we'll take care of the rest.
Donatello: And, guys, when I go crazy again, just shoot me.

God: Prophets speak the word of God, sometimes indirectly. Sometimes they're my bluetooth.

Dean: [three female demons appear before him and Sam and Castiel] Ladies. Look, we're not looking for trouble, okay? We just wanna talk…
Demon: Aah! [fighting begins]
Dean: [getting the worst of it with the demon he's fighting] Are any of us winning?!


When Eileen sneaks a phone call to Dean as God is about to dig out the bullet from Sam's shoulder, exasperated, God says, "Come on Eileen," This is the name of a song by Dexys Midnight Runners.
posted by orange swan at 4:48 PM on May 7, 2022

When one sees Adam mow down on a burger and pizza, one knows he must be related to Dean.

This show really dropped the ball on Adam's storyline. Sam and Dean take the stance that they couldn't get Adam out of the cage, but the thing is, they made almost no effort to do so, and didn't even seem to be bothered by it. If it had been one of them in the cage, the one on the outside would have never known a moment's peace and moved heaven and earth until he got the other out. But because it was a half-brother they barely knew? Well, them's the breaks! Did they even bother telling John what had happened to his other son when they saw him again?

Sam and Dean's Michael seems to be so much better than alt-world Michael. Sam was in terrible shape after his experience of being locked in the cage with Lucifer, but Adam, who was in the cage for so much longer, seems amazingly functional.
posted by orange swan at 4:51 PM on May 7, 2022

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