Andor: Kassa
September 21, 2022 5:57 AM - Season 1, Episode 1 - Subscribe

Five years before he helps strike a vital blow for the Rebellion in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, Cassian Andor's reckless search for answers about his past makes him a wanted man.
posted by EndsOfInvention (19 comments total)
 
Things I like so far:
- Always enjoy seeing the "background" characters of the Star Wars universe. People who aren't Jedi or Jedi-adjacent heroes or Sith/Sith-adjacent villains.
- Love the droid (B3EMO) that uses more power to generate lies.
- Nice Wobani reference (the planet Jyn Erso is rescued from in Rogue One).

Things that bug me:
Star Wars shows are very inconsistent with episode titles. Mandalorian had Chapters and titles, Obi-Wan had Parts, Andor just has Episode numbers it seems like.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:46 AM on September 21 [2 favorites]


Sometimes, Disney+ posts new episodes, and then goes back and fills in the episode titles later on.

I've only watched this one episode so far, but I think it did a very good job of laying out just what kind of show this is, and what people should expect from it.

At first, I thought that Syril Karn was a younger Orson Krennic. I guess Tony Gilroy loves his stock characters.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 6:59 AM on September 21 [2 favorites]


Will this series make any sense to a casual SW fan? I haven’t seen Rogue One. Is that going to matter here?
posted by Thorzdad at 8:47 AM on September 21


Will this series make any sense to a casual SW fan?

Based on episode 1 I think so? All you need to know in terms of the setting is "BBY" means Before the Battle of Yavin (the finale of the original Star Wars film). There hasn't been any big references to other films yet although from the trailers we know at least one major and one minor character from Rogue One will be in this.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 9:22 AM on September 21 [1 favorite]


Will this series make any sense to a casual SW fan? I haven’t seen Rogue One. Is that going to matter here?

At this point, I'm a pretty casual SW fan by most definitions, and this series is really good. Everything makes sense, and if there have been references to other Star Wars media I haven't caught them, which means this is standing on its own. It has me hoping that any references will be a "nice if you catch it" moment and not a "you're left out" punishment.
posted by nubs at 1:15 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


Loving the fashion. Everyone needs a coat to pull close when being furtive. A little surprised that Cassian was using murder to solve his problems before he ever hooked up with the rebellion, I thought the idea with Rogue One was he and the other volunteers had done terrible things in service of a cause, but no, he’s just a scumbag. I mean, the rentacops had it coming, but still.

Not sure what the lord of the spaceflies bits are adding, they might go somewhere good with it but childhood trauma flashbacks have become so de rigueur in these things.
posted by rodlymight at 5:55 PM on September 21 [2 favorites]


wishKyleMacLachlan (Syril Karn) bugs me for some reason.

I'll give ep2 and maybe 3 a shot.
posted by porpoise at 9:31 PM on September 21


I recommend watching all 3: the pacing really picks up in ep 3. I see why they had to drop all 3 at once, they would have lost too many people after 1 or 2.

That said, it's a valid choice: you get a lot of solid character work and world-building in eps 1 & 2. Grounds it all so the payoff in 3 has meaning.
posted by suelac at 9:33 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


“A little surprised that Cassian was using murder to solve his problems before he ever hooked up with the rebellion, I thought the idea with Rogue One was he and the other volunteers had done terrible things in service of a cause, but no, he’s just a scumbag.”

That's a bit harsh. The Empire and the Rent-A-Cops aren't the good guys in general, and those two definitely weren't in particular. I don't think Cassian could hope for anything resembling justice were he to be detained; and I don't think he had any reason to believe the surviving cop would follow-through with his promises.

The problem, though, is that he was seen in the brothel. Killing the surviving cop wasn't likely to prevent him from being identified, so it was ultimately unnecessary. I don't think he thought this through. But I confess that I myself was thinking, well, you're going to have to kill the other guy, too.

It was pretty brutal for Star Wars and I found it both shocking and promising. It uncompromisingly set the tone for the series. And I really like it.

I know that many people are tired of the grimdark "realism" in some of these franchise films/television lately. But I've mostly been mildly disappointed in all these new Star Wars movies and series, especially in poor writing and inconsistency and just being plain silly, so I found this a huge breath of fresh air.

“wishKyleMacLachlan (Syril Karn)”

You, too, huh? I found the resemblance very distracting.

“I recommend watching all 3”

They're very good taken together, in my opinion. A satisfying opening chapter; nicely structured and even in tone.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 9:39 PM on September 21 [1 favorite]


Oh, that's why I found Karn oddly familiar-looking. Mind you, I was more distracted by how much his personality reminded me of Arnold J Rimmer, except with a backbone.

(In fact, I wonder if the line from the long-suffering security chief about Karn altering his uniform was a nod to Rimmer; I half expected him to have come up with his own special salute.)

I like the way that Andor buys into the Star Wars trope of Imperial officers speaking with Received Pronunciation by having Imperial-aligned personnel speak with an assortment of UK accents. That said, the supporting cast of British bit-part actors vaguely familiar from a dozen UK TV dramas did make it feel a bit as if we were watching Star Wars: Line of Duty.
posted by Major Clanger at 11:55 PM on September 21 [4 favorites]


I see why they had to drop all 3 at once, they would have lost too many people after 1 or 2.

If they'd make actual hour-long episodes, or even the ~47 minutes typical of TV dramas a generation ago, it wouldn't be a problem!

But I confess that I myself was thinking, well, you're going to have to kill the other guy, too. It was pretty brutal for Star Wars and I found it both shocking and promising. It uncompromisingly set the tone for the series. And I really like it.

Let's not forget that the first time we see Cassian in Rogue One, he straight-up murders an apparent ally.

I know that many people are tired of the grimdark "realism" in some of these franchise films/television lately. But I've mostly been mildly disappointed in all these new Star Wars movies and series, especially in poor writing and inconsistency and just being plain silly

Not to mention sanitized in that Disney way. That was my biggest fear about this show, that they'd have Greedo shooting first. Instead, we get brothel alley murder right out of the gate, and strong hints at an anti-colonial subtext very early too.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 3:39 AM on September 22 [3 favorites]


ALSO, for the West End nerds:
Orlean Star Cab name-drop! Woooo! Galaxy Guide 8 is the best Galaxy Guide hands-down.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 3:55 AM on September 22 [2 favorites]


Star Wars: Line of Duty

"I didn't just float down the Chenataa on a bubble."
posted by orrnyereg at 6:01 AM on September 22 [1 favorite]


Killing the surviving cop wasn't likely to prevent him from being identified, so it was ultimately unnecessary. I don't think he thought this through.

I personally think he did think it through based on the stunned silence after realizing the first cop was dead. He was weighing how much time killing the other guy would buy him to get away vs. just knocking him out.

He was screwed as soon as they started following him. The Corpos look to have a reputation for wanton slaughter. They're private security of a corporation that runs the system. No obligation to protect anything but their own lives. No oversight but an indifferent at best Empire.
posted by Mister Cheese at 9:11 PM on September 24 [1 favorite]


My partner and I watched the first three tonight - I’m glad we kept watching after the first, because it had a lot not to love for me. Rant below.

I’m sick to death of male protagonists broodingly searching for the hooker with a heart of gold. My own heart sank in the first 30 seconds, within which it’s clear that we’re in a red-light district. The fact that there’s a woman mechanic doesn’t balance out framing the whole show with a quest to preserve women’s honor. (In fact, if Corp has wised up to the fact that 100% of the population, not just 50%, can fix shit and think real hard, why then choose to make the rescue mission to a brothel? Why not an underground plant lab where scientists are forced to work, or a forced-labor workshop that’s part of the shipbreaking operation? The hunt for a ruined sister is a tired trope - using it felt lazy, and it was a slap in the face reminding me that I am *still* not the audience envisioned, because the writers are so focused on how progressive they’re being by giving us a woman mechanic that they don’t even think to imagine what they’re telling every 13-year-old who watches this about gender.)

Noble-savage-child-warriors sporting conspicuous bead necklaces and greasy hair while fluty, drum-backed music plays in the background? How very ethnic! Ugh! This Avatar brand of romantic fetishizing makes me ill.
posted by rrrrrrrrrt at 1:47 AM on September 25 [2 favorites]


I hated this so much that when we went to watch the second episode, I turned it off after the recap of the first. I barely remember the movie this guy was in and he seems like an asshole. Unless this has something more to offer than "emotionally tortured morally grey dickhead gets harassed by the galaxy's most unlikable cop," I think I'm gonna pass on the rest of it.
posted by jordemort at 6:38 PM on September 25


I'm up to the third episode, where the pace picks up and there's more action. It's still going for a grittier tone than most Star Wars, like Rogue One.

If your problem with the first two episodes was that not much happened, it's worth continuing.

If you don't like the tone, or you watched Rogue One and didn't like it, you probably won't like the rest.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 6:57 AM on September 26 [1 favorite]


I had a hard time getting into this; partly the slow pace of the first two episodes, partly just the tone. Then someone explained it to me:

Andor is a Space World War II spy movie.

Most of the Star Wars stuff is about Space Wizards with some doses of other action film genres. Some of it (Mandalorian in particular) is a Space Western. Andor is different; it's a bunch of morally ambiguous and grim people getting by in a shitty situation. I keep wanting to cite Casablanca but so far what I've seen lacks the romance and dashing elegance, it's coming from a more serious direction. But same wheelhouse.

The other touchstone I keep hearing is Michael Clayton, showrunner Tony Gilroy's 2007 film. I haven't seen it so can't comment.
posted by Nelson at 7:43 AM on September 26 [2 favorites]


You know, I didn't even think it was a brothel. I thought it was a hostess bar, because I watched a couple episodes of Tokyo Vice (and then Narco-Saints!) before losing interest.

Sure, the old inspector mentioned one, but I thought he was just spinning a yarn to put in the accident report. I didn't even know you could mention such a thing on Disney+.
posted by Apocryphon at 10:24 PM on September 29 [1 favorite]


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