The Good Wife: The Deep Web
May 6, 2014 6:05 PM - Season 5, Episode 20 - Subscribe
This episode has another case about the dark side of technology.
Alicia's tempted to join that guy from Lost for a glass of wine. Eli is working his magic on Finn. Louis is being manipulative. Again. (Not much of Peter in this one, sadly.)
Alicia's tempted to join that guy from Lost for a glass of wine. Eli is working his magic on Finn. Louis is being manipulative. Again. (Not much of Peter in this one, sadly.)
Less Alicia's love life, more Louis Canning, please. More Diane and Kalinda working together.
(Is that pregnant lawyer who worked with Louis out? What about Elspeth Tassioni?)
posted by jeather at 6:18 PM on May 6, 2014 [1 favorite]
(Is that pregnant lawyer who worked with Louis out? What about Elspeth Tassioni?)
posted by jeather at 6:18 PM on May 6, 2014 [1 favorite]
What about the speculation that Cary is not just being nice, but needed the day to be Nefarious? He seemed genuinely pissed about her sudden merger talk with L&G.
I would like in some ways for Diane to go fuck you to the others and fire them and hire Alivia and Cary back, but that's just me.
David Lee has quietly become my favourite secondary character, after the way they did his response to Eill's death, so more David is good. I just wish he was given more than just power grabbing, a genuine difference of ambition from Diane's.
posted by viggorlijah at 6:40 PM on May 6, 2014 [2 favorites]
I would like in some ways for Diane to go fuck you to the others and fire them and hire Alivia and Cary back, but that's just me.
David Lee has quietly become my favourite secondary character, after the way they did his response to Eill's death, so more David is good. I just wish he was given more than just power grabbing, a genuine difference of ambition from Diane's.
posted by viggorlijah at 6:40 PM on May 6, 2014 [2 favorites]
One of the best things about TGW is that they're all my favourite secondary characters.
posted by jeather at 7:18 PM on May 6, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by jeather at 7:18 PM on May 6, 2014 [1 favorite]
David Lee has quietly become my favourite secondary character
I find the show has a way of making the characters grow on you. Cary started off as insufferable and entitled, Eli was a ruthless schemer, David Lee was a heartless backstabber. I still don't like David, tbh, but we really haven't seen much of his backstory.
posted by desjardins at 7:21 PM on May 6, 2014 [4 favorites]
I find the show has a way of making the characters grow on you. Cary started off as insufferable and entitled, Eli was a ruthless schemer, David Lee was a heartless backstabber. I still don't like David, tbh, but we really haven't seen much of his backstory.
posted by desjardins at 7:21 PM on May 6, 2014 [4 favorites]
Lalex, I want Diane's hair SO BAD. How does she make her hair just sort of flow around her face like this molten helmet of gold?? And her clothes are amazing. Alicia is frankly kind of boring in her clothes, to downright dull. She's amazing and beautiful, but she looks like an indifferent shopper.
Diane and Peter's mother have serious style.
posted by viggorlijah at 1:11 AM on May 7, 2014 [2 favorites]
Diane and Peter's mother have serious style.
posted by viggorlijah at 1:11 AM on May 7, 2014 [2 favorites]
Alicia's mother was actually motherly this episode.
posted by Obscure Reference at 5:28 AM on May 7, 2014
posted by Obscure Reference at 5:28 AM on May 7, 2014
viggorlijah, I thought the same. That Cary was working on some sort of evil scheme.
I am so excited we have good wife on fanfare now that I need to post on this post even though I don't have anything else to say, sorry
posted by gerstle at 8:07 AM on May 7, 2014
I am so excited we have good wife on fanfare now that I need to post on this post even though I don't have anything else to say, sorry
posted by gerstle at 8:07 AM on May 7, 2014
viggorlijah, how can you possibly talk about fashion without mentioning Kalinda? Heresy! She is my role model.
posted by desjardins at 8:19 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by desjardins at 8:19 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
Sokka shot first, he was wearing so much eyeliner! It was really distracting. He was also a little too perfect in the way he was hitting on Alicia. I think he was a plant from a political opponent of Peter's trying to get dirt on her or something. Surely there were lots of rumors about Alicia and Will, anyone who wanted to embarrass Peter politically could see an opportunity in tarnishing Alicia's reputation as a saint. All they need are some photos of her kissing Mr. Eyeliner.
I also wondered whether Cary was undertaking some kind of scheme in getting Alicia out of the office. Cary seems to be always running a scheme, even if it turns out to be a good scheme.
I agree that I'd would like to hear more from Elspeth and Pregnant Ethics Woman. Elspeth got the merger with the other bigshot woman - what happened to them? And the whole vote fraud investigation, where did that go?
The clothes on this show are so great. I'm always struck by how much attention to detail there is on The Good Wife, and that's particularly evident in the women's style. It's one of the few shows I've watched where the professional women actually dress the way professional women would dress . . . only better. Alicia, Diane, and Kalinda all have such great clothes.
posted by medusa at 8:23 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
I also wondered whether Cary was undertaking some kind of scheme in getting Alicia out of the office. Cary seems to be always running a scheme, even if it turns out to be a good scheme.
I agree that I'd would like to hear more from Elspeth and Pregnant Ethics Woman. Elspeth got the merger with the other bigshot woman - what happened to them? And the whole vote fraud investigation, where did that go?
The clothes on this show are so great. I'm always struck by how much attention to detail there is on The Good Wife, and that's particularly evident in the women's style. It's one of the few shows I've watched where the professional women actually dress the way professional women would dress . . . only better. Alicia, Diane, and Kalinda all have such great clothes.
posted by medusa at 8:23 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'm assuming that Elspeth and Other Bigshot Woman went to a spinoff that will air next year. Hoping, maybe.
The vote fraud investigation went six feet under with Will, I figured.
posted by jeather at 8:45 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
The vote fraud investigation went six feet under with Will, I figured.
posted by jeather at 8:45 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
I think the costume choices show that the women are not dressing for men (either male characters or male viewers). This is part of a larger theme of women not being defined by their relationship to men. Alicia's storyline has a lot of men in it, but she's still clearly making her own decisions.
Aside from her fling with Cowboy McVeigh, Diane hasn't had any relationships IIRC. She holds her own against the schemers in the office.
Kalinda had an abusive ex, but tossed him to the curb (and out of the country).
This is why I really love the show. It is SO refreshing and different from anything else out there. The women dress like normal women, they make their own decisions, they aren't secondary to the men, BUT ALSO they're not portrayed as power hungry or man-hating.
posted by desjardins at 10:21 AM on May 7, 2014 [5 favorites]
Aside from her fling with Cowboy McVeigh, Diane hasn't had any relationships IIRC. She holds her own against the schemers in the office.
Kalinda had an abusive ex, but tossed him to the curb (and out of the country).
This is why I really love the show. It is SO refreshing and different from anything else out there. The women dress like normal women, they make their own decisions, they aren't secondary to the men, BUT ALSO they're not portrayed as power hungry or man-hating.
posted by desjardins at 10:21 AM on May 7, 2014 [5 favorites]
Oh, and the flip side is that I think that men are portrayed as complex characters, too. It's not all GRRL POWER! men are bad amirite? Well, Sweeney is pretty indisputably evil, and Louis Canning is not exactly sympathetic, but the rest of the guys have depth.
posted by desjardins at 10:25 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by desjardins at 10:25 AM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
I have tons to say about this episode (I have on my list of topics to write about in my journal why the AV Club reviewer was dead wrong about this episode, but now I have a place to really put it - yay) but not a lot of time to say right now.
But to build off what desjardins said about the portrayal of women, I do think the costuming of Diana and Peter's mom really are a part of that too. They make being a woman of "a certain age" pretty glamorous.
(sidebar: I just did an IMDB check for Christine Baranski and found out that she is playing Cinderella's Stepmother in the upcoming film adaptation of Into the Woods and am unable to deal with my response to this news beyond having to remind myself to breathe.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:12 AM on May 7, 2014
But to build off what desjardins said about the portrayal of women, I do think the costuming of Diana and Peter's mom really are a part of that too. They make being a woman of "a certain age" pretty glamorous.
(sidebar: I just did an IMDB check for Christine Baranski and found out that she is playing Cinderella's Stepmother in the upcoming film adaptation of Into the Woods and am unable to deal with my response to this news beyond having to remind myself to breathe.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:12 AM on May 7, 2014
Oh no. We're only up to Episode 14. You're six weeks ahead of us in the UK. That's terrible.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 3:38 PM on May 7, 2014
posted by PeterMcDermott at 3:38 PM on May 7, 2014
Turns out no he was not.
He has natural built-in eyeliner?! Amazing.
posted by medusa at 3:53 PM on May 7, 2014
He has natural built-in eyeliner?! Amazing.
posted by medusa at 3:53 PM on May 7, 2014
Yeah, I honestly don't think Alicia can have an affair and pull it off.
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:00 PM on May 7, 2014
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:00 PM on May 7, 2014
Erm, I'll rephrase that because I got interrupted while writing that. I don't think she can just have an affair while being the governor's wife (which she wasn't before) and pull it off when everyone is looking.
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:53 PM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:53 PM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
Diane is married! There was a whole fantastic episode about her deciding damn it, she's going to be happy and getting married. She had to choose between possible stuff about being a judge and her happiness, and she decided on doing what was right for her, not just ambition. They got married quietly in a courthouse, and she got screwed over for the judgeship anyway, but she's happily married now to her cowboy.
Or did I dream that in some crazed wish fulfillment? I remember thinking yes, Diane is the actual adult and is happy.
posted by viggorlijah at 6:00 PM on May 7, 2014 [2 favorites]
Or did I dream that in some crazed wish fulfillment? I remember thinking yes, Diane is the actual adult and is happy.
posted by viggorlijah at 6:00 PM on May 7, 2014 [2 favorites]
Alicia's affair with Will was possible because they worked together and were invested both in secrecy. Public drinks at a bar with a handsome stranger is harder to pull off, I agree.
I will be sad if Cary turns out to be scheming, because Cary and Alicia's mutual respect and professional friendship is something I really enjoy.
posted by viggorlijah at 6:01 PM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
I will be sad if Cary turns out to be scheming, because Cary and Alicia's mutual respect and professional friendship is something I really enjoy.
posted by viggorlijah at 6:01 PM on May 7, 2014 [1 favorite]
Cary scheming is fine. Cary scheming against Alicia isn't. (I don't think it makes sense, because he needs her in their firm.)
posted by jeather at 3:14 AM on May 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by jeather at 3:14 AM on May 8, 2014 [1 favorite]
I could watch an entire show of Eli and Finn trying to discuss the campaign.
posted by flibbertigibbet at 3:47 AM on May 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by flibbertigibbet at 3:47 AM on May 8, 2014 [4 favorites]
They got married quietly in a courthouse, and she got screwed over for the judgeship anyway, but she's happily married now to her cowboy.
OMG, you're right! Well, it doesn't detract from my comment since he's not around much and thus the focus is all on her.
posted by desjardins at 7:23 AM on May 8, 2014
OMG, you're right! Well, it doesn't detract from my comment since he's not around much and thus the focus is all on her.
posted by desjardins at 7:23 AM on May 8, 2014
I kept wondering if that dude that was flirting with Alicia was wearing eyeliner or what.
posted by Sokka shot first at 7:34 PM on May 6
I haven't seen this episode--I'm still watching Season 1-- but as soon as I read this comment I knew it must have been Nestor Carbonell. I've personally been wondering that since "Suddenly Susan"...
posted by mmoncur at 6:43 PM on May 8, 2014
posted by Sokka shot first at 7:34 PM on May 6
I haven't seen this episode--I'm still watching Season 1-- but as soon as I read this comment I knew it must have been Nestor Carbonell. I've personally been wondering that since "Suddenly Susan"...
posted by mmoncur at 6:43 PM on May 8, 2014
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posted by desjardins at 6:13 PM on May 6, 2014