The Walking Dead: Remember
March 1, 2015 10:32 PM - Season 5, Episode 12 - Subscribe

Welcome to Alexandria. There's running water, electricity, a solar grid, eco-based sewage filtration, and cisterns. Everyone has their job. Looks like the Communists won after all.

Rick shaves (and waxes his chest), Carl remembers what video games are, Carol starts a beautiful long con, and the people of Alexandria expose their soft underbellies.
posted by Ik ben afgesneden (85 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
 
Right, I'm calling it. Carol and Darryl are a tie for the winners of this episode. Followed by Carl and then Glenn. I laughed for five minutes straight after Carol described herself as a den mother grateful for the protection of the group. OMG, that was some good stuff topped off with the most disturbing thing I've seen her wear--and she wore zombie at one point!

Carl and Rick battling side-by-side was excellent. Rick is finally treating Carl like an adult capable of holding his own and Carl is right about the pepole being soft. Glenn just punching out the self-proclaimed douchebag was a thing of beauty. 

The congress person is very, very wrong about the group. Carol is not Happy Homemaker, never was. Rick isn't a cop anymore; he's long past that. He could charitably be called a vigilante. He's a less crazy Governor at this point. So much for being good at reading people.   ‎

This is why I stick around, when the episodes are good, they're very good.
posted by Ik ben afgesneden at 10:37 PM on March 1, 2015 [5 favorites]


The best thing is Carol playing the long game, right from the very beginning.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 11:35 PM on March 1, 2015 [12 favorites]


Oh man, Carol plays weak from the moment she hands over her gun. Carol's long con is amazing.

The suspense is killing me, though. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and it's driving me crazy.

Glenn punching that guy was a perfect moment.
posted by sleeping bear at 11:51 PM on March 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


When the gang is settling in, Rick's having his interview, and they're all so uncomfortable and tense, I thought they were all just, "What is 'chair'? What is 'bed'?" It's been *so* long since they experienced anything remotely like their old civilised lives (Daryl excepted) and they're so nervy, that they can't fit themselves into that setting.

It was all building up to that last sentence from Rick. If the townspeople turn out to be weaker than them, it's all over. They're all in for the long game. I do wonder about Michonne though: she seems so desperate for normal.

It's hard to imagine, for everything we've seen and everything Rick's group have experienced, that these seem to be people who haven't experience real loss. Families are still whole, they've had hot showers throughout, their couches are still pointed at the TV, like you could actually sit down and watch a DVD at night. It's insane in its own way.

And the two idiot guys who think zombies care about their vengeance? Or that they feel any kind of discomfort? They're stereotypical college frat boys left to roam free (heh, roamers) and this is what they turn into.
posted by tracicle at 2:34 AM on March 2, 2015 [2 favorites]


When the ROTC guy was talking about "sweet biscuits" or whatever I expected him to actually pull out some biscuits

Because that would have been more impressive than guns

I may have been watching Rick and crew be out there too long
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 2:45 AM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


So many delightful things happened this episode that my face looked like Corl's face when the Alexandria kids offered him video games and whatnot AND THERE WAS A TEENAGE FEMALE THERE TOO.
posted by bobobox at 4:11 AM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


Carol acting like she didn't know how to handle the ak47(?) with that ridiculous "oopsie!" face was just too funny compared to how she singlehandedly saved everyone from Terminus. I can't wait to see more of Junior League Carol.

During the scene where they turned in the guns, they perhaps unwittingly showed how stupid and weak the Alexandrites are; did anyone else notice that woman loaded all the guns onto that cart FACING herself and then pulled it towards her, bumping along the path? Jesus. It was likely a directing oversight but it definitely showed a lack of familiarity with firearms.
posted by gatorae at 4:47 AM on March 2, 2015 [6 favorites]


I missed Carol's 'oopsie' face! I need to watch the episode again. I was entranced by the cut from Carol -- skeletal, battle-hardened Carol -- to the plump and squeaky-clean Gun Collecting Lady. The contrast between the two groups was so stark.

Oh, hey, Enid. Leaves the compound regularly with a full pack. Is she coming back in with a full pack? I don't think so. She's got a supply cache somewhere. Also, she totally stole Rick's backup gun from that blender.
posted by Mogur at 4:51 AM on March 2, 2015 [5 favorites]


Was Carl still following the girl when he ran into Rick at that house?

Deanna said they hadnt accepted a group in a very long time, but the girl has only been there a few months. Does that imply she came in by herself?

Glad they mentioned that the entire area had been evacuated, since that somewhat explains the lack of zombies overwhelming everything.

The scene with Rick and the barber's husband was indeed strange. Like the barn door group scene, it felt like a dream and cut straight to sleeping people. Not sure what to think of it.

"Sweet ass biscuits."

"What's an ass biscuit?"
posted by 2ht at 4:58 AM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


bobobox: Corl's face

Brief aside - THANK YOU for this! Mr. Squirrel and I have been shouting "Coooorrrl!" at the teevee for ages, but I thought we were the only ones who picked up on that. Seeing you spell his name that way just completely made my day.
posted by flyingsquirrel at 5:04 AM on March 2, 2015 [3 favorites]


It's driving me nuts how no one is explaining why they're so standoffish. Even just explaining that Terminus was advertising as a safe space and then eating people should be enough for everyone in Alexandria to say "OOOH, okay, yeah take your time."

And that's not even getting into the Governor and the rapey hospital and exploding CDC.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 5:46 AM on March 2, 2015 [4 favorites]


Was Carl still following the girl when he ran into Rick at that house?

No, he lost her in the woods (one: sweet way to show how badass she is; two: she didn't do something dumb like circle around and try to surprise him, thank you show).

I'm not sure where that abandoned house is. It's possible Carl was just heading back to the main gate, saw a house that he'd never seen before (he stayed on the road while Rick hid the gun), decided to check it for supplies, and stumbled across Rick by accident.
posted by Mogur at 5:51 AM on March 2, 2015 [2 favorites]


The people on this show have always been scarier than the zombies.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:00 AM on March 2, 2015 [2 favorites]


Just when I thought my Carol crush couldn't get any crushier.

"Is there a Junior League?"

Ha.

Surely Deanne didn't buy it though. Everyone else is hardened and traumatized, and Carol is all sunshine and casseroles? I hope the Congressperson from Ohio has her own long game going.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 8:05 AM on March 2, 2015 [2 favorites]


Surely Deanne didn't buy it though. Everyone else is hardened and traumatized, and Carol is all sunshine and casseroles? I hope the Congressperson from Ohio has her own long game going.

If she's smart enough to realize that her people are weak and need a hardened outside group th keep them alive, she probably sees right through Carol's facade. The rest of the town seems sufficiently sheltered enough to buy into it though.
posted by 2ht at 8:13 AM on March 2, 2015


Lots of Lori references this episode. Rick told Daryl about driving through nice neighborhoods with her, Carl told Deanna about killing her, Jessie alludes to her, and during Rick's shaving scene the camera lingers on his left hand to show he still wears his ring. I guess time will tell whether it was meant to allude to his single status or just a juxtaposition of Before and Now, or both, or something else.

I love that Daryl and Carol's reactions are so completely opposite and play into their stereotypes. Daryl is stubbornly refusing to assimilate and is seemingly wallowing in his discomfort with the place. Carol on the other hand is throwing herself headlong into the community and immediately trades her guns for cardigans. I think Deanna may see through her a bit, but if anything she probably thinks that Carol is just trying to go back to being the person that she once was while ignoring some terrible things she has done. I doubt she would ever guess that Carol was never that person and that she is actually the most coldly utilitarian one of them all. I thought the fact that it was Rick, Carol, and Daryl in the final scene was extremely telling; I think the three of them are on exactly the same page and are playing their parts accordingly.
posted by gatorae at 8:35 AM on March 2, 2015 [4 favorites]


Daryl's "you look ridiculous line" got a genuine lol from me.
posted by entropicamericana at 8:39 AM on March 2, 2015 [5 favorites]


Where do these folks get their food? The do not look like farmers or raiders. More like Eloi.
posted by sammyo at 9:18 AM on March 2, 2015 [3 favorites]


Corl.
posted by scalefree at 9:26 AM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


Corl.

The internet consensus seems to be that it's Coral.

It's driving me nuts how no one is explaining why they're so standoffish.

Yeah, that kind of nagged at me too.

They should probably update Rick's list of questions to include:

"Has anyone ever eaten, or tried to eat, part of you or part of any member of your group?"

I think the three of them are on exactly the same page and are playing their parts accordingly.

That makes sense since Daryl's doing his own long con by playing the role of feral nature boy. Him sitting down for his interview while still clutching the dead possum was a good larf.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:32 AM on March 2, 2015 [6 favorites]


I that Daryl actually may be sort of feral nature boy at this point. His most civilized was when he sucked the grease off of his fingers before shaking the hand of the dude back at the prison.

Also: was the girl looking at the group before they went into the prison the same emo girl that Carl follows?

I do hope that Alexandria isn't evil, because that's been done to cannibal levels. I'm betting the wolves are going to be the impetus for the (if they can't hold it then we take it from them) plan.

It does seem to be a misstep that nobody in Rick's group is saying Cannibals! Limb hacker-offers! Because that would be what I'd be babbling if I got adopted by a group of people who seem like well-fed sheep. It seems to be too convenient to the plot line of seasoned veterans v. people who don't know what the fuck.

Did anybody see a black Alexandrian?
posted by angrycat at 9:51 AM on March 2, 2015


Actually, the most interesting thing about Beth's death is that it has increased Daryl's surliness x 1000.
posted by angrycat at 9:53 AM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


Husband and I were talking about Carol just now and he thinks Carol is deliberately playing the "do anything to assimilate and look harmless" while Daryl is playing the deliberate outcast (it's not exactly difficult for him). Wonder who will find out more?
posted by tracicle at 10:10 AM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


Just linking to this gif here because Carol is so awesome and makes everything I find dumb about the show worth sitting through.

I hope that Deanne at least doesn't buy the dog and pony show that Rick & Co. are putting on. Would be nice to meet some survivors who weren't dropped on their heads at some point.

Also R.I.P. Beard. You were a thing of beauty.
posted by longdaysjourney at 10:38 AM on March 2, 2015 [5 favorites]


I hope that Deanne at least doesn't buy the dog and pony show that Rick & Co. are putting on.

Maybe that's part of why she's recording them. So she can compare their stories as a group? Call people out later if she's figured out they lied? I mean, I'm thinking she's a politician, not an archivist.

I don't know if it's me, but it seemed like we never got a really satisfying explanation for why she's doing that. "We're all about transparency here" was the only thing she said about it, IIRC.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:48 AM on March 2, 2015 [3 favorites]


I love that in his video, Coral basically admitted matter of factly that he had to kill his own mom. Kid is made of stone cold awesome. I want he and Edith to eventually mate and perpetuate an army of X-Men. So help me, if he ever dies I will be inconsolable for days.

What is the consensus on the porch-lurkin husband of nice blonde hairstylist? I got a surly alcoholic vibe from him. Surly he is not long for this world so Rick can get a much needed lady friend and the Internet blows up from the ensuing Andy Lincoln love scene.

Who in the group is going to be exiled by Deanne (or her psychopath doofus ROTC spawn) under unjust circumstances, thereby triggering the Ricktatorship coup?
posted by Dr. Zira at 11:19 AM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


Checking in late here, but I am glad to see we all agree what an shrewd, calculating genius Carol is.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:25 AM on March 2, 2015 [6 favorites]


Of all the things to love about Carol this episode my favorite was her telling Daryll, "Take a shower." "You look ridiculous." They are so cute together.
posted by Room 641-A at 11:43 AM on March 2, 2015 [6 favorites]


Also R.I.P. Beard. You were a thing of beauty.

When Rick shaved off his beard all I could say was, "PUT IT BACK ON!"

It was OK once he was finished, but it took some adjusting.
posted by tracicle at 12:15 PM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


I loved the Carol interview scene but don't forget that Aaron has been shadowing them with that long range microphone thingee for awhile so Congress critter probably sees through the act. I still don't get why you send out only two people to scout for new blood.

Also, the whole episode I kept waiting for something terrible to happen. That's a pretty cool way to subvert the horror show genre.
posted by rdr at 12:35 PM on March 2, 2015 [6 favorites]


Carol has been playing the survival game since before "polite" society fell. And yet, Michonne seems the most invested in making this transition work -- a sign that proves to me her "lone wolf" instincts are no longer working for her.

Really great way to essentially reboot the series midseason, I think; nearly everyone left is 180 degrees from where they started (Daryl, Carol and Father Gabriel being the only notable exceptions).

Does anyone else think Enid's dad may be one of the 3 men Deanna "exiled" from Alexandria? Sure would explain why she is sneaking supplies over the wall (and likely stole Rick's blender gun for either his protection or her own during her runs).
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 12:47 PM on March 2, 2015 [5 favorites]


Shit, maybe that means Daryl and Father Gabriel are going to die soon.

We all know that Judith represents hope, but I cannot figure out why they're keeping that kid around on the show. She is a massive liability!
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 12:50 PM on March 2, 2015


I so want to see Carol follow through on her threat to hose Daryl down in his sleep.
posted by Telpethoron at 3:04 PM on March 2, 2015 [3 favorites]


When Rick shaved his beard, I started singing Needle in the Hay.
posted by maxsparber at 4:00 PM on March 2, 2015 [2 favorites]


I started getting a "you are how you appear" vibe going on; Carol's new outfit, Rick grooming up and then putting on a LEO uniform, Daryl not changing...

But Carol's playing a long con and Rick expressing that he's willing to take over the place if things don't work out belies that theory. That said, is Daryl really not as feral boy as he's making a show of?

Michonne was the most interesting character in this episode for me. Sure, she's competent and brutally pragmatic, but her past life was as a lawyer (and had a kid? nephew?) and it feels like she's the one who most wants this to work out and to regain a semblance of a "normal life."

As for the liability baby, I'm absolutely surprised that they (showrunners/showcharacters) haven't figured out how to rig up a harness for more secure baby carrying.
posted by porpoise at 4:28 PM on March 2, 2015


I think I can finally see a use for Gabriel. What do they do when someone shows up at the gates of Alexandria? That's a hard choice for a community whose leader claims that sending three people away was equivalent to killing them. Alexandria is a large fixed community in an area where the zombie population has been suppressed. It's unbelievable that people don't come knocking on the gates fairly often. What happens when those outsiders are rejected? Do they just quietly go away? So Gabriel and his story may start to have some relevance.
posted by rdr at 4:50 PM on March 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


That said, is Daryl really not as feral boy as he's making a show of?

I know plenty of back woods good old boys, and even the reddest of rednecks wouldn't carry a dead possum into a nice office or gut one on someone's pristine porch. Daryll is playing redneck as enthusiastically as Carol is playing Betty Crocker. It's just less of a stretch for him.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:07 PM on March 2, 2015 [9 favorites]


When Rick is being interviewed, he initially stands at the window and leaves a dirty hand print on the side. Nice attention to detail.

No secret that I'm pretty tired damn tired of Judith but from another perspective, she is proof of the hardcore nature of the group. Any noise will bring zombies (or worse, humans) and food and water is scare. Yet, they've managed to keep a baby alive, spotless, and well-fed.

(Are we sure they didn't secretly turn to cannibalism? I can see Rick offering up a toe.)
posted by Ik ben afgesneden at 6:25 PM on March 2, 2015


Deanna said they hadnt accepted a group in a very long time, but the girl has only been there a few months. Does that imply she came in by herself?

As Unicorn on the cob said above, I'm thinking she was initially with the now-exiled. Perhaps she's Stockholmed enough to be smuggling them supplies.
posted by phearlez at 6:54 PM on March 2, 2015


Interesting that the cover of Enid's comic book says "Wolf Fight". Her unauthorized sorties can't be good.
posted by cardboard at 7:06 PM on March 2, 2015 [4 favorites]


playing redneck as enthusiastically

Yeah, everyone's right. Carol hiding her lethality, Daryl his intelligence and perception, and Rick his... single minded ruthless ironbound unrelenting blinding will to survive and protect his own no matter what?
posted by porpoise at 7:12 PM on March 2, 2015


I dunno, but Carol's Harriet Homemaker routine is Chekhov's gun. They're not gonna set that up so deliberately without some kind of payoff. She will become Death, Destroyer of Worlds before the season is over.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 8:01 PM on March 2, 2015 [9 favorites]


Interesting that the cover of Enid's comic book says "Wolf Fight". Her unauthorized sorties can't be good.

I took it as a reference to one of Kirkman's old series but obviously works as a reference to the looming threat as well.
posted by phearlez at 8:55 PM on March 2, 2015


Someone on Reddit posted this screenshot of clean-Carol-in-HOA-drag on Rick's right near the lit side of his face and "showers are for the weak" redneck Daryl on Rick's other side, aka The Dark Side, of his face.

That is some heavy-handed symbolism, man. AND I LOVE IT.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 9:18 PM on March 2, 2015 [9 favorites]


One of the better episodes they've had for awhile, though they were laying it on a bit thick with how clean-cut everyone was.

I was reminded very clearly of the farmer's warren in Watership Down, where all the rabbits are so big and healthy, but have also grown decadent and blind to the reality of their problems.
posted by skewed at 9:22 PM on March 2, 2015 [4 favorites]


Really enjoyed this episode. I feel like a lot of things have been briefly introduced this season and I'm not sure how they are all going to pay off (like the Wolves, and then also Morgan following our group), but at least wheels are turning.
posted by dogwalker at 9:25 PM on March 2, 2015


AND I LOVE IT.

Since Carol is hardly a lamb and Daryl's got a good conscience. Who's more likely to choose to go through with a damning action and who'd rather walk away instead?
posted by porpoise at 9:55 PM on March 2, 2015


Who's more likely to choose to go through with a damning action.

Well, Carol. This woman killed a little girl and she was heartsick about it, but she did it. If Andrea had just used the damn knife Carol had given her the way Carol told her to they would still have the prison and a lot more people would be alive and Carol probably gnashes her teeth at night wishing she'd had that opportunity herself.
posted by instead of three wishes at 5:52 AM on March 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


When Rick shaved off his beard all I could say was, "PUT IT BACK ON!"

I really wanted a scene of Judith freaking out because her Daddy was gone.
posted by gladly at 7:49 AM on March 3, 2015 [4 favorites]


I suspect Deanna videoed the group because she has a poker-player's interest in microexpressions.

So if anyone's going to cotton on to Carol's long con, it'll be her.
posted by EXISTENZ IS PAUSED at 9:17 AM on March 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


If Deanna doesn't figure out that she's being played, it's going to be pretty unbelievable. In addition to recording them all separately, (making it easy to cross-check their stories) she's bound to ask Aaron to report his observations. I really hope the show explores what happens when she sees through the charade (or when they find out she never fell for it). Letting the group pull off this bluff would be a misstep.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 9:33 AM on March 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


Letting the group pull off this bluff would be a misstep.

I'm pretty sure Deanna's backstory as a politician who could've been a professional poker player is of at least as much Chekovian significance as anything we've seen our group do this episode. I'm willing to bet that in her own way she's a lot more competent and dangerous than the Governor ever was.
posted by mstokes650 at 10:05 AM on March 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


They're not gonna set that up so deliberately without some kind of payoff.

Welllll.... unless they switch showrunners yet again and discard a bunch of plot points/setup willy nilly.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 10:05 AM on March 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


I'm pretty sure Deanna's backstory as a politician who could've been a professional poker player is of at least as much Chekovian significance as anything we've seen our group do this episode.

I thought it made her seem like a bit of a blowhard, myself: and that because she hasn't really been exposed to the world outside the walls, she's still thinking in terms of pre-apocalypse politics.

(I was hoping that Rick's response to her "I had to exile three men" I-dun-some-bad-things would be "oh yeah? I RIPPED A MAN'S THROAT OUT WITH MY TEETH.")

If anything, it feels to me that she's setting up Team Rick to become her enforcers: to do the dirty work she doesn't have the stomach for. The police thing; also, the way she thanked Glen for punching out testosterone-douchebag. (Was that her son he decked? I may have got those two dudes mixed up. Either way, it felt like "thanks for putting him in his place for me.")

The angel-and-demon-on-Rick's-shoulders shot was... unsubtle, yes. Also unsubtle: the spot-it-from-a-mile-off telegraphing of HERE ARE RICK AND CARL'S LOVE INTERESTS.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 11:37 AM on March 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


Carl and Rick battling side-by-side was excellent.

"Dad. I need the XP."
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 11:39 AM on March 3, 2015 [9 favorites]


Also, I called the videotaped interviews "the diary room" while we were watching it and now I can't help thinking of this episode as Big Zombie Brother.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 11:41 AM on March 3, 2015


Also, I called the videotaped interviews "the diary room" while we were watching it and now I can't help thinking of this episode as Big Zombie Brother.

I think on Talking Dead Chris Hardwick called it sex, lies, and zombies.
posted by gatorae at 11:49 AM on March 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


This was good in that it was a horror story where nothing very horrible happens, almost like a shaggy dog story. And then our clean-shaven hero turns out to be the real monster.

I thought it was kind of spoiled by the meta-knowledge that they're not going to live there and be happy and turn into the dark-world version of The Archers. I think we've been convinced that the community really is as good as they say it is, so either it has to be destroyed or they have to leave it, and we just need to know which it's going to be and why. The well of Walking Dead plots is kind of shallow, as far as I can see.

But Carol is still amazing.
posted by Wrinkled Stumpskin at 12:04 PM on March 3, 2015


Another good Chris Hardwick line was when he suggested that, during her interview mentioning the Junior League, Carol should have said she likes flower arranging.
posted by Room 641-A at 12:07 PM on March 3, 2015


Carol should have said she likes flower arranging

"Just a few weeks ago I helped a young girl look at some beautiful flowers in an open field. It was a lovely moment. Brought me to tears."
posted by Pater Aletheias at 12:12 PM on March 3, 2015 [8 favorites]


If anything, it feels to me that she's setting up Team Rick to become her enforcers: to do the dirty work she doesn't have the stomach for. The police thing; also, the way she thanked Glen for punching out testosterone-douchebag.

Well, she's setting up Rick and Michonne to do her dirty work, certainly. What better way to ensure their loyalty? It's an ancient maneuver: you appoint the most strong-willed slaves to be the overseers of the rest. The question will be what happens the first time it's Daryl, for instance, that (legitimately) needs a decking, instead of just her son. Rick seems like he'll obviously side with the group, but Michonne? I can pretty easily see Michonne ending up playing the Andrea to Deanna's Governor (though she better not die!)

What is the consensus on the porch-lurkin husband of nice blonde hairstylist? I got a surly alcoholic vibe from him. Surly he is not long for this world so Rick can get a much needed lady friend and the Internet blows up from the ensuing Andy Lincoln love scene.

The vibe I got from alcoholic porch dude was that he totally knows his wife is hot for some Rick Grimes action and is none too happy about it. I envision a scene we weren't shown where his wife came home bubbling about the haircut she gave to the shirtless new guy ("You know he's actually quite handsome without that mountain-man beard!") while completely failing to note his increasingly-angry looks as he grumbled out the requisite "That's nice, dear"s.

Carl and Rick battling side-by-side was excellent.

Father-son bonding time at its finest.
posted by mstokes650 at 12:23 PM on March 3, 2015


I called the videotaped interviews "the diary room" while we were watching it and now I can't help thinking of this episode as Big Zombie Brother.

Different zombie apocalypse, that one.
posted by gladly at 1:17 PM on March 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


I think it might be Rick plus Carol plus Daryl being ruthless in terms of taking the community. I can't see Daryl and Carol as being opposites a la angel/devil. The difference between Carol and Daryl, as the show seems to see it, is that Carol shuts down her emotions, while Daryl is almost consumed by his.

And Rick is sort of the less-cannablisitic 'you're either the butcher or you're the cattle' or whatever the Termite philosophy is. Rick tells Deanna that people on the outside are all about what they can take from you -- and voila, here is talking about taking the prison. We've been beset by cannibals, now let's become cannibals ourselves.
posted by angrycat at 1:59 PM on March 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


We've been beset by cannibals, now let's become cannibals ourselves.

Yeah, it really does seem like there's are some equivalencies in how the living are infecting people with a behavioral contagion and how the dead are.

Michonne gave Rick quite the appraising look after he got cleaned up real nice. I loved the scenes from last season with her and Rick and her and Carl on their various side missions, so I'm very much a Richonne shipper. That'd be a nice little zombie apocalypse nuclear family. :-)

I love the hair stylist's husband sitting on the porch in the dark throwing shade at Rick. Something about that scene struck me as Stephen King like: the hint of something sinister in the all-American neighborhood.

I feel like the show is back on track after a couple of iffy (aside from Aaron and Eric) episodes.
posted by lord_wolf at 2:53 PM on March 3, 2015 [6 favorites]


The book Michonne takes off the shelf is "Crime without Punishment." Not sure what that means, if anything.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 3:03 PM on March 3, 2015


As far as damning moves, Porpoise, I would expect Daryl to yell about what punishment someone deserves while Carol calmly walks over and burns Alexandria to the ground. After two beats of looking stricken (because Carol walks the walk, nothing is really worth arguing about), Daryl would then smirk and saunter over to light a cigarette off the closest smoldering wall.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 3:09 PM on March 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


Crime without Punishment could be an allusion to what Glenn said when they were in the field of severed limbs -- to paraphrase, that even something that bad as the slaughter of peaceful people doesn't 'matter' in terms of their universe, because there will be no punishment for the limb-hacker-offers.

Of course Glenn later says he was wrong, that it does matter. He also is recorded in this episode as saying that they had to make it work, because they were almost out there too long. But some of them, Carol, Daryl, and maybe others, maybe were out there too long. Maybe by the time Rick ran down a fleeing person and shot him, after saying, "There's no going back, Bob," Rick had been out there too long.

It was also interesting to see Daryl say that the boy and baby 'deserved' a roof, and then he sort of snarks, 'I guess.' Like, what does deserve have to do in this world of theirs?
posted by angrycat at 3:22 PM on March 3, 2015


If the Rick-Hairdresser-Hairdresser's Husband story arc doesn't end with Rick standing outside the door to their home holding a series of poster boards where he declares his true feelings for the hairdresser in Sharpie, I will be totally disappointed.
posted by The Gooch at 4:21 PM on March 3, 2015 [16 favorites]


"Just a few weeks ago I helped a young girl look at some beautiful flowers in an open field. It was a lovely moment. Brought me to tears."

"Oh, and when were in that prison and there was an outbreak of an illness, I made sure we took care of the people who were infected."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:19 PM on March 3, 2015 [4 favorites]


We had a deal, Kyle - Was that her son he decked?

Totally. I think it was the writers trying to show that Douchey McROTC is such a douchebag that his mom appreciates that someone knocks him on his ass for once. The relative incompetency of the Alexandrites really makes it hard to believe that they've survived so long. They look like they'd blow their entire arsenal of ammunition within the first month.

Dun DuN DUN! How have they managed to stay modern-comforts for so long?

--

On rewatch; good grief!, the skin slipping off of the roamer was brilliant. I'm waiting for a CMAJ article about how that might happen (the CMAJ has a strong liberal arts and the "classics" background and a demonstrated sense of humour. For example a diagnostic article on Tintin).

I'm guessing that different extracellular matrices between different tissue layers (ectoderm/mesoderm/endoderm) are less mechanically robust than the primary layers. So essentially, zombies after lots of hard wear might be bags containing bags and bags of other tissue, and would fall apart based on that. The biggest physiological argument against (dangerous) zombies is the ligament attachment to bones. Those and ligament/muscle damage makes zombies non-dangerous bags of goop.

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Porch sitting Mr Former-Stylist suggests that not everyone is happy with Deanna's leadership.
posted by porpoise at 8:20 PM on March 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


So, someone is collecting zombie torsos, and it probably isn't these guys, judging from the clueless way ROTC douchebag and his little friend handled their zombie.

Is it the exiles? Is it Enid?
posted by misfish at 8:31 PM on March 3, 2015


It's the Wolves, I assume.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 5:41 AM on March 4, 2015


I'd been sort of chortling about Rick's Grizzly Adams beard of "no, fuck YOU!" for quite some time, and the shaving off of the beard (+ future love interest haircut) was predictable, but what I wasn't predicting was just how much younger he looked without it. I thought that was a really nice demonstration of how much being Outside ages you, how it takes a toll.

Carol is a such a great badass, but my favorite line might've been Daryl's "We brought dinner" swing of the dead possum that he then brought to the video interview. I was disappointed that Carol didn't volunteer to do nursery school again so she could weed through Alexandria's weak children.
posted by TwoStride at 8:40 AM on March 4, 2015 [5 favorites]


Did Daryl say the dinner line or was it Glenn? I thought it was Glenn.
posted by phearlez at 11:28 AM on March 4, 2015


Daryl, I believe.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 1:33 PM on March 4, 2015


"...but what I wasn't predicting was just how much younger he looked without it"

Yeah, that freaked me out. He looked mid-twenties, or something. But Andrew Lincoln is 41. I guess it was mostly the contrast with the beard -- the beard made him look much older. It's a weird effect. People are always telling me how much younger I look when I shave off my beard (which I regularly do, because I just shave and let it grow out and then shave again a couple of months later). Of course, I'm 50 and half my beard is now white.

But, anyway, I was stunned at how much younger to me Rick looked without his beard.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 3:53 PM on March 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


I just rewatched. It's definitely Daryl who makes the dinner comment (though he is standing behind Glenn when he mutters it).
posted by TwoStride at 4:29 PM on March 4, 2015


Interesting that the cover of Enid's comic book says "Wolf Fight". Her unauthorized sorties can't be good.

I took it as a reference to one of Kirkman's old series


It is one of Kirkman's but it's Invincible #45. The "Wolf Fight" is on the back, not the cover.
Did you see in the scene right after he finds the comic that it cuts to Carol making a sketch of the layout of Alexandria. Calculating indeed.
posted by unliteral at 4:51 PM on March 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


Yeah that would be an ad for Astounding Wolf-Man then.
posted by phearlez at 5:02 PM on March 4, 2015


I think they more or less explained why the Alexandrites had survived so long: everyone else in the area was evacuated. So, with a readily fortified community and limited human enemies, they were okay. Of course, that can't last forever.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:23 PM on March 4, 2015


oh that's what carol was doing. i was like, 'man, being a sketch artist is part of her cover'
posted by angrycat at 6:06 AM on March 5, 2015 [1 favorite]


'man, being a sketch artist is part of her cover'

They'd need to have her doing stuff that would look like Thomas Kinkade paintings with burning houses as the main source of light.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:49 PM on March 5, 2015 [2 favorites]


Mr. Squirrel and I have been shouting "Coooorrrl!" at the teevee for ages, but I thought we were the only ones who picked up on that. Seeing you spell his name that way just completely made my day.

It's also spelled Coral (warning: dead bad dad joke inside).


The people on this show have always been scarier than the zombies.

That's the (not always subtle) point of many stories about zombies. The undead, while frightening in their mindless persistence and because they're nearly unstoppable, aren't as scary as what people will do to each-other.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:58 AM on March 8, 2015


It was also interesting to see Daryl say that the boy and baby 'deserved' a roof, and then he sort of snarks, 'I guess.' Like, what does deserve have to do in this world of theirs?

It seems I have a different take on Daryl than most here. He's not "feral boy," but one who can live beyond the confines of what others consider to be civilization. He's a mountain/wilderness man in every sense, but that doesn't mean he's anti-people. I think he doesn't see the need for all those creature comforts, like a roof over the head of young people. After all, they've survived this long, what were they missing up to now? They are an extended family, caring for each-other despite no apparent connections that would have joined them together in the pre-undead times. If you have a group of people you can trust and who can take care of each-other, what else do you need? At least, that's the vibe I got from Daryl.
posted by filthy light thief at 12:29 PM on March 8, 2015 [1 favorite]


At least, that's the vibe I got from Daryl.

Yeah, totally. Seems to me he can take or leave the comforts of civilization, but he cares about some of the people who comprise that civilization, or what's left of it. He just doesn't care if utensils are available at dinner. But he'll provide dinner for his people, and don't you dare mess with his people.

I think he's playing up a "feral" persona as a way of sussing out the Alexandria situation, in the same way Carol's playing up a "domestic" persona. Neither of them are either one of those things.

Those and ligament/muscle damage makes zombies non-dangerous bags of goop.

Is it me, or have they been getting goopier as the show has progressed? Aside from the freshly-turned, I wonder if we'll see a point in the future where a good strong wind will take down a herd, if they're of originally-turned vintage. They're not getting any fresher.

Walkers of a certain age.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:44 PM on March 8, 2015


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