The Walking Dead: Hostiles and Calamities
March 1, 2017 6:35 AM - Season 7, Episode 11 - Subscribe
An outsider experiences The Sanctuary.
I don't think Eugene actually believes he is irreplaceable. I think he's pretending to totally by-in to the whole saviors thing. He was just saying that to the wives to cover his ass probably.
I am confused as to why burned-face-guy lied about the doctor? Did I miss something?
posted by LizBoBiz at 7:46 AM on March 1, 2017 [1 favorite]
I am confused as to why burned-face-guy lied about the doctor? Did I miss something?
posted by LizBoBiz at 7:46 AM on March 1, 2017 [1 favorite]
By moving suspicion of aiding the escape of his wife (and Daryl) onto the doctor, Dwight's loyalty was no longer suspect, and his story about finding his wife and killing her was not questioned.
posted by cardboard at 8:02 AM on March 1, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by cardboard at 8:02 AM on March 1, 2017 [2 favorites]
He didn't - he was under suspicion for it though.
posted by cardboard at 8:09 AM on March 1, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by cardboard at 8:09 AM on March 1, 2017 [1 favorite]
Seems pretty dumb of Negan to send Dwight out alone to find his wife, and to believe his story.
posted by larrybob at 12:20 PM on March 1, 2017
posted by larrybob at 12:20 PM on March 1, 2017
I don't think Negan believes a word of Dwight's story about his wife, but he doesn't have to because as far as Negan's concerned, it doesn't matter. If Honey is dead, then Dwight's proved his loyalty. If Honey's alive (which I'm betting Negan knows she is), then Negan has an ultimate trump card he can pull on Dwight at any time.
Sure, he killed the completely-innocent doctor, but hey -- that just allowed him the chance to impress his ruthlessness more clearly upon Eugene.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:30 PM on March 1, 2017
Sure, he killed the completely-innocent doctor, but hey -- that just allowed him the chance to impress his ruthlessness more clearly upon Eugene.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:30 PM on March 1, 2017
Was I alone in locating Dwights animus toward the crispy doctor in their interaction when he (Dwight) was getting stitched up after his Negan-ordered ass whoopin? The Doc was mean/cold about the whole "your wife had to save you ass by marrying the worlds worst person"
Im not sure I would describe Eugene's understanding of his irreplacibility as premature so much as highly time delimited - I did not think of it as him replacing the Dr' medical knowledge so much as he has the key to bullet production which he knows Negan needs. What happens one he has passed that knowledge to others?
A point of clarification on the ongoing set design/spatial nightmare that is this show: Eugene is lead to a room that I thought had been Dwight's? it has a stereo in it playing easy street - the music Dwight used to break Darryl. But then Dwight is sitting in a different bedroom looking at the note his (ex) wife gave to Darryl to initiate the breakout, waiting for Negans guy to come give him the beating. Were we supposed to think that Eugene had been given Dwight's room and he had been demoted or is this just sloppy set work or am I really confused?
posted by Exceptional_Hubris at 1:53 PM on March 1, 2017 [3 favorites]
Im not sure I would describe Eugene's understanding of his irreplacibility as premature so much as highly time delimited - I did not think of it as him replacing the Dr' medical knowledge so much as he has the key to bullet production which he knows Negan needs. What happens one he has passed that knowledge to others?
A point of clarification on the ongoing set design/spatial nightmare that is this show: Eugene is lead to a room that I thought had been Dwight's? it has a stereo in it playing easy street - the music Dwight used to break Darryl. But then Dwight is sitting in a different bedroom looking at the note his (ex) wife gave to Darryl to initiate the breakout, waiting for Negans guy to come give him the beating. Were we supposed to think that Eugene had been given Dwight's room and he had been demoted or is this just sloppy set work or am I really confused?
posted by Exceptional_Hubris at 1:53 PM on March 1, 2017 [3 favorites]
Exceptional_Hubris: Were we supposed to think that Eugene had been given Dwight's room and he had been demoted or is this just sloppy set work or am I really confused?
I could be mistaken, but I think the time we saw the room previously it was being offered to Darryl in a carrot/stick situation, but Darryl wouldn't break and went back to the cell, so I don't think it was Dwight's. Maybe it's just where they played the music since it was close the cell door?
If I'm wrong and we saw Dwight in it before, there's also the chance they doubled up using sets (with different decoration) so they wouldn't have to construct another one just for one scene.
posted by bluecore at 3:26 PM on March 1, 2017
I could be mistaken, but I think the time we saw the room previously it was being offered to Darryl in a carrot/stick situation, but Darryl wouldn't break and went back to the cell, so I don't think it was Dwight's. Maybe it's just where they played the music since it was close the cell door?
If I'm wrong and we saw Dwight in it before, there's also the chance they doubled up using sets (with different decoration) so they wouldn't have to construct another one just for one scene.
posted by bluecore at 3:26 PM on March 1, 2017
I'm curious who thinks Eugene has flipped sides, and who doesn't?
The AVClub reviewer seems firmly on the Eugene-is-betrayer side of things, but I just don't see it. Eugene may be a coward, but he's smart and (mostly) loyal. I think he's playing along, biding his time.
posted by coriolisdave at 5:52 PM on March 1, 2017
The AVClub reviewer seems firmly on the Eugene-is-betrayer side of things, but I just don't see it. Eugene may be a coward, but he's smart and (mostly) loyal. I think he's playing along, biding his time.
posted by coriolisdave at 5:52 PM on March 1, 2017
I read that AV Club review and was surprised at the reviewer's conviction. I think Eugene is faking.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:10 PM on March 1, 2017
posted by Room 641-A at 6:10 PM on March 1, 2017
I thought Eugene's re-use of his "I was an important CDC scientist" lie was pretty much a clear signal that he's faking it. But how long is he going to be able to fake being a doctor?
I suspect his murder pills are going to come into play at some point. But Eugene realized that simply poisoning Negan alone isn't enough: he's seen enough to realize that doing so would simply open a vacancy that one of Negan's vile acolytes would slide into.
If I'm wrong and we saw Dwight in it before
We did see Dwight sitting in his room this episode, waiting for Negan to come and punish him. I'm pretty sure that Dwight's room and Eugene's room are the same set slightly differently dressed.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 6:32 PM on March 1, 2017 [1 favorite]
I suspect his murder pills are going to come into play at some point. But Eugene realized that simply poisoning Negan alone isn't enough: he's seen enough to realize that doing so would simply open a vacancy that one of Negan's vile acolytes would slide into.
If I'm wrong and we saw Dwight in it before
We did see Dwight sitting in his room this episode, waiting for Negan to come and punish him. I'm pretty sure that Dwight's room and Eugene's room are the same set slightly differently dressed.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 6:32 PM on March 1, 2017 [1 favorite]
If anything, I could see Eugene being broken down enough (physically, mentally) over time to simply give in to save himself, but that's not what's happening.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:55 PM on March 1, 2017
posted by Room 641-A at 6:55 PM on March 1, 2017
Eugene lied to Abraham and Rosita because he wanted to seem too important to let die. He's lying to Negan because he wants to survive.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:26 AM on March 2, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:26 AM on March 2, 2017 [3 favorites]
I'm completely on team Eugene Is Faking. The dude worshipped Abraham-- he's not going to give up so quickly. I expect him to bide his time and do something when the time is right, like sabotage the bullets he's going to make for them, plant bombs, etc, so when Rick and crew attack, he's the resistance on the inside.
posted by bluecore at 1:10 PM on March 2, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by bluecore at 1:10 PM on March 2, 2017 [1 favorite]
I'm actually hoping Eugene did turn coats, if only because I don't like the character much so any change will probably be a net positive for me.
posted by whir at 9:02 PM on March 2, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by whir at 9:02 PM on March 2, 2017 [2 favorites]
I suspect his murder pills are going to come into play at some point.
Chekhov's pills. They exist to be used.
posted by scalefree at 8:58 PM on March 5, 2017 [2 favorites]
Chekhov's pills. They exist to be used.
posted by scalefree at 8:58 PM on March 5, 2017 [2 favorites]
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