Supernatural: Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell
March 10, 2017 1:12 AM - Season 12, Episode 15 - Subscribe
Sam and Dean to investigate a hellhound attack. As Crowley continues to hold Lucifer, his King of Hell duties require his attention. Castiel gets a lead on Kelly Kline and an offer of help.
Yeah. I wasn't sure Supernatural could keep the quality up, but they've been doing a pretty good job. I really have been enjoying it again ever since S10.
posted by mordax at 10:21 AM on March 10, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by mordax at 10:21 AM on March 10, 2017 [1 favorite]
I really got a kick out of Crowley just straight up owning Lucifer.
I still wanna know what the other 638 things that require his immediate attention are.
posted by numaner at 12:35 PM on March 10, 2017 [1 favorite]
I still wanna know what the other 638 things that require his immediate attention are.
posted by numaner at 12:35 PM on March 10, 2017 [1 favorite]
I still wanna know what the other 638 things that require his immediate attention are.
Good point. I would've watched an episode that was just those guys rattling off petty Hell disputes. (I cracked about about 'I think we can all agree that's not enough babies for a decent meal!')
posted by mordax at 1:00 PM on March 10, 2017 [2 favorites]
Good point. I would've watched an episode that was just those guys rattling off petty Hell disputes. (I cracked about about 'I think we can all agree that's not enough babies for a decent meal!')
posted by mordax at 1:00 PM on March 10, 2017 [2 favorites]
they have to make that, basically Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell, but with Supernatural lore and style
posted by numaner at 1:09 PM on March 10, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by numaner at 1:09 PM on March 10, 2017 [1 favorite]
Am I totally imagining that for a while after hellhounds killed him, Dean was able to see them, without the special glasses? Did that go away at some point or could he just not see Lucifer's dog specifically?
There were parts of this I liked--Cujo with hellhounds feels like an idea with some legs on it--and parts that really felt like filler. That entire argument about whether to lie to the girl to make her feel better or tell her the truth about hellhounds might have felt reasonable in the first season, before Sam and Dean had interviewed hundreds of victims together, but twelve seasons in I mostly just felt bad for the actors.
As for the MOL--I was glad Sam ended up telling Dean the truth at the end, and Dean's reasons for going along with it were pretty reasonable. But I had the impression from the end of last week's episode that Sam was planning to tell him right away, and this seemed like it was almost going to the same annoying plot well of "Sam and Dean keep secrets for no reason" without actually going there, but not exactly having them grow out of that kind of behavior either.
(But blessings, blessings upon this show and its bonkers, drunk-in-a-china-shop cosmology. Sure God created a super-hellhound right after the Big Bang. In the beginning, there was Chuck (and his sister, Amara!) And then Chuck created some angels, and then I don't know, gravity or whatever, then a terrifying dog-monster who we'll call Ramsey, then some more angels, then He worked on His novel for a while, and then Earth and dinosaurs and at some point, regular dogs! You know, like in the Bible.)
posted by jameaterblues at 11:17 PM on March 10, 2017 [2 favorites]
There were parts of this I liked--Cujo with hellhounds feels like an idea with some legs on it--and parts that really felt like filler. That entire argument about whether to lie to the girl to make her feel better or tell her the truth about hellhounds might have felt reasonable in the first season, before Sam and Dean had interviewed hundreds of victims together, but twelve seasons in I mostly just felt bad for the actors.
As for the MOL--I was glad Sam ended up telling Dean the truth at the end, and Dean's reasons for going along with it were pretty reasonable. But I had the impression from the end of last week's episode that Sam was planning to tell him right away, and this seemed like it was almost going to the same annoying plot well of "Sam and Dean keep secrets for no reason" without actually going there, but not exactly having them grow out of that kind of behavior either.
(But blessings, blessings upon this show and its bonkers, drunk-in-a-china-shop cosmology. Sure God created a super-hellhound right after the Big Bang. In the beginning, there was Chuck (and his sister, Amara!) And then Chuck created some angels, and then I don't know, gravity or whatever, then a terrifying dog-monster who we'll call Ramsey, then some more angels, then He worked on His novel for a while, and then Earth and dinosaurs and at some point, regular dogs! You know, like in the Bible.)
posted by jameaterblues at 11:17 PM on March 10, 2017 [2 favorites]
In case you can't tell, God is as human in his mindset as the rest of us.
posted by numaner at 8:15 AM on March 13, 2017
posted by numaner at 8:15 AM on March 13, 2017
Quotes
Dean: Man. [holds up a bloodied barbed wire-wrapped baseball bat] Dad loved this thing. [drops the bat to the table]
Sam: Dude, on the -- on the --
Dean: [covered in blood and gore, sits and sighs heavily]
Sam: No, don't, don't, don't, don't! Don't s--
Dean: What?
Sam: Dean, you're covered in ghoul, man, and -- and -- and wraith. You… you have a piece of siren in your hair.
Dean: [picks the bit of siren out of his hair] Gross. [flicks the bit of siren across the room]
Sam: Yeah. Dude, why don’t you take a shower and change your clothes. You've been wearing the same pair of boxers for four days.
Dean: Okay, one, weird that you know how much underwear I packed.
Sam: That’s what’s weird about this?
Dean: And B, it’s two and two. Doesn’t count if you flip 'em inside out.
Sam: Yeah, that's fine. And, dude, um… after you get cleaned up.
Dean: I got baby wipes in the car.
Sam: Dude. Dean, I’m serious, man. You smell like roadkill.
Dean: That's 'cause I do all the heavy lifting.
Sam: You -- All right.
Dean: [walking out of the library] I'm using that fancy shampoo you keep hidden from me.
Sam: ...
Herb: Aah. So, uh, you're here about Sara.
Castiel: Yes, your waitress. In this article, you said, uh, you said that she was killed by an alien.
Herb: Well, not just aliens. Reptilians. You know... like the Queen of England.
Castiel: [about to leave] Right. Okay, well, that's by helpful. Thank you so much for your time.
Herb: And I got proof. Um. [opens drawer, rummages around and pulls out a video tape] You know… ah. See? Most sheeple can't handle the truth. But not me. I'm woke. It's, uh…[he fumbles with the tape and inserts it into a video player] ...why I don't use, uh, new tech. Anything past '96, it's a trap. You know...Palm Pilot. It's more like Tracking Device. Am I right?
Castiel: Right.
Herb: Exactly. Now watch this. [the monitor only shows snow until he whacks it] Now, here we go.
Video: [shows alternate angle of the scene in 12.13 where Dagon confronts and kills the two angels to defend Kelly Kline]
Herb: Okay, now I don't know who she is. Probably another alien. She's preggers, so my money's on brood queen. Now, I don't know who he is either. There! That's Sara. Look, look, look. See? Silver knives. That's, uh, star metal. [video goes to static] Yeah, the -- the camera got fried. But you… you saw it, yeah? [rewinds the tape and pauses it] Right… there. She has…
Castiel: [looking at Dagon] Yellow eyes.
Herb: Like I said, reptilian. Now, the local cops, they think there’s something -- they don’t believe me. They think there’s something weird with the camera. But I mean, that’s why you’re here.
Castiel: [ejects the tape and pockets it, and heads toward the door]
Herb: The -- the FBI Man in Black. Well, you know, beige.
Sam: Listen, I know this sounds insane --
Gwen: It does. But… like I said, I know what I saw. And what I saw was insane.
Sam: Right. Now this is awkward, but, um… hellhounds only come after people who sold their souls… to a demon.
Dean: So about ten years ago, did you really want something? Like… I don’t know, a Hello Kitty backpack, or the death of an enemy?
Crowley: [to his demon underlings] My hounds… You have anything to tell me?
Demon: Well… we didn’t wanna bother you… it was Ramsey. She got out, my lord.
Crowley: Have the kennel guards killed. Painfully.
Crowley: Well, there you go. The bitch tends to hold a grudge. So we either kill Ramsey, or the hound eats her.
Sam: Wait a second. "We"?
Crowley: Pup like that out and about isn't good for business. Makes it look like I'm not in control. But that mutt's head mounted on my wall? Good for the brand. So yes, Moose, for now. "We".
Dean: Great. So we got a hellhound who's gunning for revenge, and it's personal. Ah. Just when I thought this gig couldn't get any weirder...
Crowley: Oh. It can always get weirder.
Dean: Take care of her.
Sam: Of course. Dean, look, even if Ramsey circles back, as long as we keep moving, Gwen's gonna be just... You're talking about the car.
Dean: You tend to ride the brakes.
Sam: Dean, I know how to drive.
Dean: I'm just saying. Okay, just imagine she's a... a beautiful woman. A beautiful, beautiful woman.
Sam: Oh, come on. I'm done.
Dean: Sam...
Crowley: Ew.
Crowley: [commenting on Dean’s hellhound glasses] Fancy. Really bring out your eyes.
Dean: Shut up.
Crowley: [mimicking Dean’s tone] Shut up.
Dean: I mean it, Crowley.
Crowley: I mean it, Crowley.
Dean: Go to Hell.
Crowley: Go to Hell. Really, Dean, all these years, you're so predictable.
Dean: Yeah, well, I guess we've all changed. I got predictable. You got soft. I mean, a few years ago, who'd have thought you'd be helping us save the girl of the week?
Crowley: I don't care about her.
Dean: Yeah, well, maybe we rubbed off on you.
Crowley: Don't flatter yourself.
Dean: You saved Cass.
Crowley: Just to spare myself the Winchester man pain -- you lot moping about like a bunch of schoolgirls.
Dean: Well, I just wanna say thank you.
Crowley: Or...a few years ago, who would've thought you'd be working with the King of Hell? Maybe you've rubbed off on me. Maybe I've rubbed off all over you.
Dean: Ugh.
Lucifer: [to the remaining demon of the two who freed him] Sorry, kid. You understand, right? No -- no witnesses or anything, yeah?
Thomas: Yes. Take me, oh, Fallen One! My life is yours to devour.
Lucifer: See, now you just made it weird. [evapourates Thomas with a snap of his fingers]
Trivia
After completing a job, Dean held a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire and said, "Dad loved this thing." John Winchester was played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who, at the time this episode aired, was playing Negan on The Walking Dead, a villain famous for using a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire, which was called "Lucille".
Mick Davies is saved in Sam's contacts as "Frodo". In Mary's phone, in previous episodes, the viewer sees that he is saved in her contacts as "Hobbits".
Castiel's FBI name is Solange in this episode. Solange is Beyoncé's sister. He used the alias "Agent Beyoncé" earlier in the series.
Dean calls Crowley "Peaches" when speaking on the phone. Peaches is the name of the Devil in the Nickelodeon animated show Rocko's Modern Life.
Crowley says the hellhounds survived because Lucifer (an angel, or agent of God) saved a pregnant one. This mirrors old testament belief that Saul (an agent of God) was commanded to kill all Amalekites and their animals but although he killed the people off he allowed one pregnant animal to survive. This animal was said to be an Amalekite transformed into an animal and, after escaping, repopulated the nation.
Dean and Crowley in the woods hunting Ramsey, Dean's flashlight looks greenish. At night, when hiking in the woods, you emphatically do not want a bright flashlight because it ruins your night vision. After 20 to 40 minutes in a dark environment your eyes adapt and you can see surprisingly well. The briefest flash of bright light ruins that adaptation. For decades military patrols, private pilots and backpackers have used low power red lights to preserve their night vision. More recently, people have begun using low power blue or green lights to the same effect.
Conspiracy nut Herb thinks the Queen of England is a reptilian alien. The show's writers did not make that up. Since the late 1990s an Englishman, David Icke, has been writing "nonfiction" books explaining how the royal family are all Reptloids from the constellation Draco. To be fair, Icke claims all the world's leaders since ancient Babylon have been Reptloids. This conspiracy theory is fairly popular in England.
One of the Lucifer loyalists said he wanted to "make Hell great again", which was a catchphrase Crowley himself used unsuccessfully in the episode "We Happy Few" (ep. 11.22). This catchphrase is a reference to the one infamously popularized during the campaign of Donald Trump in the United States' 2016 presidential election as "Make America Great Again".
The episode's title may be a reference to the 1992 album of the same name by Social Distortion, or a song of the same name by Kiss.
Sam and Dean use the aliases Clapton and Baker, referencing bandmates Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker of Cream. This reference could also allude to the Cream cover of "Crossroads", a Robert Johnson song, who purportedly sold his soul to the Devil. This particular legend is also reenacted in Supernatural in "Crossroad Blues" (ep. 2.8), an episode that also heavily featured hellhounds.
The hellhound on the loose is named Ramsey. This could be in reference to Ramsay Bolton from Game of Thrones, whose weapon of choice was large bloodthirsty hounds.
posted by orange swan at 4:05 PM on January 25, 2022
Dean: Man. [holds up a bloodied barbed wire-wrapped baseball bat] Dad loved this thing. [drops the bat to the table]
Sam: Dude, on the -- on the --
Dean: [covered in blood and gore, sits and sighs heavily]
Sam: No, don't, don't, don't, don't! Don't s--
Dean: What?
Sam: Dean, you're covered in ghoul, man, and -- and -- and wraith. You… you have a piece of siren in your hair.
Dean: [picks the bit of siren out of his hair] Gross. [flicks the bit of siren across the room]
Sam: Yeah. Dude, why don’t you take a shower and change your clothes. You've been wearing the same pair of boxers for four days.
Dean: Okay, one, weird that you know how much underwear I packed.
Sam: That’s what’s weird about this?
Dean: And B, it’s two and two. Doesn’t count if you flip 'em inside out.
Sam: Yeah, that's fine. And, dude, um… after you get cleaned up.
Dean: I got baby wipes in the car.
Sam: Dude. Dean, I’m serious, man. You smell like roadkill.
Dean: That's 'cause I do all the heavy lifting.
Sam: You -- All right.
Dean: [walking out of the library] I'm using that fancy shampoo you keep hidden from me.
Sam: ...
Herb: Aah. So, uh, you're here about Sara.
Castiel: Yes, your waitress. In this article, you said, uh, you said that she was killed by an alien.
Herb: Well, not just aliens. Reptilians. You know... like the Queen of England.
Castiel: [about to leave] Right. Okay, well, that's by helpful. Thank you so much for your time.
Herb: And I got proof. Um. [opens drawer, rummages around and pulls out a video tape] You know… ah. See? Most sheeple can't handle the truth. But not me. I'm woke. It's, uh…[he fumbles with the tape and inserts it into a video player] ...why I don't use, uh, new tech. Anything past '96, it's a trap. You know...Palm Pilot. It's more like Tracking Device. Am I right?
Castiel: Right.
Herb: Exactly. Now watch this. [the monitor only shows snow until he whacks it] Now, here we go.
Video: [shows alternate angle of the scene in 12.13 where Dagon confronts and kills the two angels to defend Kelly Kline]
Herb: Okay, now I don't know who she is. Probably another alien. She's preggers, so my money's on brood queen. Now, I don't know who he is either. There! That's Sara. Look, look, look. See? Silver knives. That's, uh, star metal. [video goes to static] Yeah, the -- the camera got fried. But you… you saw it, yeah? [rewinds the tape and pauses it] Right… there. She has…
Castiel: [looking at Dagon] Yellow eyes.
Herb: Like I said, reptilian. Now, the local cops, they think there’s something -- they don’t believe me. They think there’s something weird with the camera. But I mean, that’s why you’re here.
Castiel: [ejects the tape and pockets it, and heads toward the door]
Herb: The -- the FBI Man in Black. Well, you know, beige.
Sam: Listen, I know this sounds insane --
Gwen: It does. But… like I said, I know what I saw. And what I saw was insane.
Sam: Right. Now this is awkward, but, um… hellhounds only come after people who sold their souls… to a demon.
Dean: So about ten years ago, did you really want something? Like… I don’t know, a Hello Kitty backpack, or the death of an enemy?
Crowley: [to his demon underlings] My hounds… You have anything to tell me?
Demon: Well… we didn’t wanna bother you… it was Ramsey. She got out, my lord.
Crowley: Have the kennel guards killed. Painfully.
Crowley: Well, there you go. The bitch tends to hold a grudge. So we either kill Ramsey, or the hound eats her.
Sam: Wait a second. "We"?
Crowley: Pup like that out and about isn't good for business. Makes it look like I'm not in control. But that mutt's head mounted on my wall? Good for the brand. So yes, Moose, for now. "We".
Dean: Great. So we got a hellhound who's gunning for revenge, and it's personal. Ah. Just when I thought this gig couldn't get any weirder...
Crowley: Oh. It can always get weirder.
Dean: Take care of her.
Sam: Of course. Dean, look, even if Ramsey circles back, as long as we keep moving, Gwen's gonna be just... You're talking about the car.
Dean: You tend to ride the brakes.
Sam: Dean, I know how to drive.
Dean: I'm just saying. Okay, just imagine she's a... a beautiful woman. A beautiful, beautiful woman.
Sam: Oh, come on. I'm done.
Dean: Sam...
Crowley: Ew.
Crowley: [commenting on Dean’s hellhound glasses] Fancy. Really bring out your eyes.
Dean: Shut up.
Crowley: [mimicking Dean’s tone] Shut up.
Dean: I mean it, Crowley.
Crowley: I mean it, Crowley.
Dean: Go to Hell.
Crowley: Go to Hell. Really, Dean, all these years, you're so predictable.
Dean: Yeah, well, I guess we've all changed. I got predictable. You got soft. I mean, a few years ago, who'd have thought you'd be helping us save the girl of the week?
Crowley: I don't care about her.
Dean: Yeah, well, maybe we rubbed off on you.
Crowley: Don't flatter yourself.
Dean: You saved Cass.
Crowley: Just to spare myself the Winchester man pain -- you lot moping about like a bunch of schoolgirls.
Dean: Well, I just wanna say thank you.
Crowley: Or...a few years ago, who would've thought you'd be working with the King of Hell? Maybe you've rubbed off on me. Maybe I've rubbed off all over you.
Dean: Ugh.
Lucifer: [to the remaining demon of the two who freed him] Sorry, kid. You understand, right? No -- no witnesses or anything, yeah?
Thomas: Yes. Take me, oh, Fallen One! My life is yours to devour.
Lucifer: See, now you just made it weird. [evapourates Thomas with a snap of his fingers]
Trivia
After completing a job, Dean held a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire and said, "Dad loved this thing." John Winchester was played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who, at the time this episode aired, was playing Negan on The Walking Dead, a villain famous for using a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire, which was called "Lucille".
Mick Davies is saved in Sam's contacts as "Frodo". In Mary's phone, in previous episodes, the viewer sees that he is saved in her contacts as "Hobbits".
Castiel's FBI name is Solange in this episode. Solange is Beyoncé's sister. He used the alias "Agent Beyoncé" earlier in the series.
Dean calls Crowley "Peaches" when speaking on the phone. Peaches is the name of the Devil in the Nickelodeon animated show Rocko's Modern Life.
Crowley says the hellhounds survived because Lucifer (an angel, or agent of God) saved a pregnant one. This mirrors old testament belief that Saul (an agent of God) was commanded to kill all Amalekites and their animals but although he killed the people off he allowed one pregnant animal to survive. This animal was said to be an Amalekite transformed into an animal and, after escaping, repopulated the nation.
Dean and Crowley in the woods hunting Ramsey, Dean's flashlight looks greenish. At night, when hiking in the woods, you emphatically do not want a bright flashlight because it ruins your night vision. After 20 to 40 minutes in a dark environment your eyes adapt and you can see surprisingly well. The briefest flash of bright light ruins that adaptation. For decades military patrols, private pilots and backpackers have used low power red lights to preserve their night vision. More recently, people have begun using low power blue or green lights to the same effect.
Conspiracy nut Herb thinks the Queen of England is a reptilian alien. The show's writers did not make that up. Since the late 1990s an Englishman, David Icke, has been writing "nonfiction" books explaining how the royal family are all Reptloids from the constellation Draco. To be fair, Icke claims all the world's leaders since ancient Babylon have been Reptloids. This conspiracy theory is fairly popular in England.
One of the Lucifer loyalists said he wanted to "make Hell great again", which was a catchphrase Crowley himself used unsuccessfully in the episode "We Happy Few" (ep. 11.22). This catchphrase is a reference to the one infamously popularized during the campaign of Donald Trump in the United States' 2016 presidential election as "Make America Great Again".
The episode's title may be a reference to the 1992 album of the same name by Social Distortion, or a song of the same name by Kiss.
Sam and Dean use the aliases Clapton and Baker, referencing bandmates Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker of Cream. This reference could also allude to the Cream cover of "Crossroads", a Robert Johnson song, who purportedly sold his soul to the Devil. This particular legend is also reenacted in Supernatural in "Crossroad Blues" (ep. 2.8), an episode that also heavily featured hellhounds.
The hellhound on the loose is named Ramsey. This could be in reference to Ramsay Bolton from Game of Thrones, whose weapon of choice was large bloodthirsty hounds.
posted by orange swan at 4:05 PM on January 25, 2022
Supernatural stole a leaf out of Law & Order's book when they wrote this episode's cold open. Law & Order had a bit of thing for having couples getting engaged whose big moment is spoiled by their discovery of a corpse.
For someone who had no experience with hellhounds or anything supernatural, Gwen certainly kept her head well and got her innings with that hellhound.
Also, the CGI hellhound may have looked a little fake, but the design was good. Fucking terrifying, for that matter.
posted by orange swan at 4:11 PM on January 25, 2022
For someone who had no experience with hellhounds or anything supernatural, Gwen certainly kept her head well and got her innings with that hellhound.
Also, the CGI hellhound may have looked a little fake, but the design was good. Fucking terrifying, for that matter.
posted by orange swan at 4:11 PM on January 25, 2022
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