The Flash: Infantino Street
May 16, 2017 8:13 PM - Season 3, Episode 22 - Subscribe
With only 24 hours left until Savitar murders Iris, Barry struggles to save the woman he loves and makes the choice to use any means necessary to do so. Realizing he has one option left to save her, The Flash turns to Captain Cold for help.
I like to imagine that every time Barry needs Snart's help, he zips back in time to that moment in Siberia 1892 so that, from Snart's point of view, there's a never-ending parade of Barrys showing up to recruit him for the latest crisis.
HR really dropped the ball when he told Savitar where Iris was hiding, moreso because he should've known to not even tell Barry where she was. That was the point of him not knowing where she was going. Considering that HR's face-switching disguise device showed up again in this episode as if to remind us that it's a thing, I'm wondering if the Iris that died is actually HR in disguise to atone for his mistake.
posted by Servo5678 at 5:26 AM on May 17, 2017 [4 favorites]
HR really dropped the ball when he told Savitar where Iris was hiding, moreso because he should've known to not even tell Barry where she was. That was the point of him not knowing where she was going. Considering that HR's face-switching disguise device showed up again in this episode as if to remind us that it's a thing, I'm wondering if the Iris that died is actually HR in disguise to atone for his mistake.
posted by Servo5678 at 5:26 AM on May 17, 2017 [4 favorites]
I'm wondering if the Iris that died is actually HR in disguise to atone for his mistake.
But Savitar took her from Earth 2, so she could only have swapped with Wells, not HR.
I'm feeling glum about the prospects of being satisfied with the finale. Either Iris is really dead, in which case fuck the Arrowverse's continual fridging. Or we're going to hit the giant reset button AGAIN, saving everyone, but with the last-second reveal of what the unintended consequence is this time for Barry to angst over next season.
posted by oh yeah! at 7:12 AM on May 17, 2017
But Savitar took her from Earth 2, so she could only have swapped with Wells, not HR.
I'm feeling glum about the prospects of being satisfied with the finale. Either Iris is really dead, in which case fuck the Arrowverse's continual fridging. Or we're going to hit the giant reset button AGAIN, saving everyone, but with the last-second reveal of what the unintended consequence is this time for Barry to angst over next season.
posted by oh yeah! at 7:12 AM on May 17, 2017
I'm wondering if the Iris that died is actually HR in disguise to atone for his mistake.
Yep, you beat me to it.
But Savitar took her from Earth 2, so she could only have swapped with Wells, not HR.
While Barry was using the Speed Force Bazooka Iris was unguarded and not in view. It was the perfect time for them to do something.
Iris is really dead,
They'd never do that after such a build up. I'm not even sure if HR is dead. With time travel, a magic power source and an untold number of lazurus pits I can't expect anyone to be dead for long.
I thought for sure it would be Joe who would die, but I guess they're saving that for next season.
Is Argus an external shot of Star Labs?
Doesn't Barry realise that that's the WORST time to confront Killer Frost? That's when Cisco loses his hands! She can wait, they needed him in the battle with Savitar!
I think this was the only satisfying "crossover" with Snart.
Lyla is right to not trust a power source of infinite energy to Barry. He can't be trusted with a D-cell. Argus security is terrible though, they only had two guards defending it.
posted by FallowKing at 7:43 AM on May 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
Or we're going to hit the giant reset button AGAIN, saving everyone, but with the last-second reveal of what the unintended consequence is this time for Barry to angst over next season.
I was thinking about what that consequence could be, but everything I came up with that seemed plausible is something the show has already sort of given us. "Barry comes back to a world where he's the villain!" Well, we kind of already have that now with Savitar. "Barry finds that Eobard Thawne is now the saint of Central City!" Uh, Legends of Tomorrow already showed us what that looks like. Not to mention Flashpoint.
Maybe they should just go off the deep end and when Barry comes back from fixing things, he finds that Grodd is now the Green Arrow.
posted by Servo5678 at 8:07 AM on May 17, 2017 [2 favorites]
I was thinking about what that consequence could be, but everything I came up with that seemed plausible is something the show has already sort of given us. "Barry comes back to a world where he's the villain!" Well, we kind of already have that now with Savitar. "Barry finds that Eobard Thawne is now the saint of Central City!" Uh, Legends of Tomorrow already showed us what that looks like. Not to mention Flashpoint.
Maybe they should just go off the deep end and when Barry comes back from fixing things, he finds that Grodd is now the Green Arrow.
posted by Servo5678 at 8:07 AM on May 17, 2017 [2 favorites]
Maybe they should just go off the deep end and when Barry comes back from fixing things, he finds that Grodd is now the Green Arrow.
I wish they were still capable of that kind of wtf-ery, it's exactly what the show needs. (I miss when this felt like a trip back to the Silver Age.)
posted by mordax at 8:49 AM on May 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
I wish they were still capable of that kind of wtf-ery, it's exactly what the show needs. (I miss when this felt like a trip back to the Silver Age.)
posted by mordax at 8:49 AM on May 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
Glad I wasn't the only person to think that H.R. somehow switched places with Iris. I assume they re-introduced his face-switching device at ARGUS so that it can be used next week without explanation.
Killer Frost seemed more like Caitlyn playing KF when talking to Savitar, which makes me wonder if Caitlyn has gained control of her powers.
We still haven't seen the "Detective West honored at City Hall" story.
posted by plastic_animals at 5:47 PM on May 17, 2017
Killer Frost seemed more like Caitlyn playing KF when talking to Savitar, which makes me wonder if Caitlyn has gained control of her powers.
We still haven't seen the "Detective West honored at City Hall" story.
posted by plastic_animals at 5:47 PM on May 17, 2017
We still haven't seen the "Detective West honored at City Hall" story.
Joe probably sang at the CCPD talent show and won first prize. It's been a busy few weeks and we weren't around for any of that.
posted by Servo5678 at 4:02 AM on May 18, 2017 [2 favorites]
Joe probably sang at the CCPD talent show and won first prize. It's been a busy few weeks and we weren't around for any of that.
posted by Servo5678 at 4:02 AM on May 18, 2017 [2 favorites]
If Argus is some kind of magic meta-power dampening zone, why didn't they just hide Iris there?
What if after they got to Earth-2 Wally created a time remnant of himself and the remnant used the Disguiser Thing to imitate Iris? And if you are going to the trouble of going to Earth-2 to hide out, maybe take a little extra trouble to go to a hidden location within Earth-2 instead of standing next to what is essentially the door.
H.R. might have had time to switch places with Iris during the bazooka battle, but I don't think he could have planned for it. I thought he was eyeing the piece of Savitar armor at Star Labs pointedly after his lamentations, but it doesn't look like anything came of that.
posted by mikepop at 11:10 AM on May 18, 2017 [1 favorite]
What if after they got to Earth-2 Wally created a time remnant of himself and the remnant used the Disguiser Thing to imitate Iris? And if you are going to the trouble of going to Earth-2 to hide out, maybe take a little extra trouble to go to a hidden location within Earth-2 instead of standing next to what is essentially the door.
H.R. might have had time to switch places with Iris during the bazooka battle, but I don't think he could have planned for it. I thought he was eyeing the piece of Savitar armor at Star Labs pointedly after his lamentations, but it doesn't look like anything came of that.
posted by mikepop at 11:10 AM on May 18, 2017 [1 favorite]
Skipping all of the big plot stuff for now, the most prevalent question on my mind was this: has HR shown Tracy his true face? And what did she think when she saw him without the transmogrifier?
The other question I had was about Cheetah. Have we seen her in the Arrowverse? Honestly, there have been so many villains, that I've sort of lost track of who has made an appearance and who hasn't. Or is this their way of getting in a Wonder Woman tease?
posted by sardonyx at 8:56 PM on May 19, 2017
The other question I had was about Cheetah. Have we seen her in the Arrowverse? Honestly, there have been so many villains, that I've sort of lost track of who has made an appearance and who hasn't. Or is this their way of getting in a Wonder Woman tease?
posted by sardonyx at 8:56 PM on May 19, 2017
The other question I had was about Cheetah. Have we seen her in the Arrowverse? Honestly, there have been so many villains, that I've sort of lost track of who has made an appearance and who hasn't. Or is this their way of getting in a Wonder Woman tease?
This is the first mention of Cheetah in the Arrowverse. We've had Wonder Woman teases before; Barry-2 has a "Diana" on speed dial alongside a "Clark" and a "Bruce".
posted by Servo5678 at 6:25 AM on May 20, 2017 [1 favorite]
This is the first mention of Cheetah in the Arrowverse. We've had Wonder Woman teases before; Barry-2 has a "Diana" on speed dial alongside a "Clark" and a "Bruce".
posted by Servo5678 at 6:25 AM on May 20, 2017 [1 favorite]
Okay, that's what I thought. But I just wanted to make sure something hadn't slipped by. I must admit, after (X) decades of living with these characters in print, animated, and live action-formats, after a while they all start to blur together, and it's hard to keep track of what happened (for example) in which medium.
I do remember Barry's speed-dial entry. At the time, it seemed like a cute and easy nod to the rest of the DC universe.
posted by sardonyx at 8:02 AM on May 20, 2017
I do remember Barry's speed-dial entry. At the time, it seemed like a cute and easy nod to the rest of the DC universe.
posted by sardonyx at 8:02 AM on May 20, 2017
What, what have I forgotten with this HR true face thing?
My assumption here is that we're going to get the big reset button on the night of Iris' death, but courtesy of Saviturd, not Barry. Somehow they will Get Through To Him or some nonsense.
posted by phearlez at 6:14 PM on May 21, 2017
My assumption here is that we're going to get the big reset button on the night of Iris' death, but courtesy of Saviturd, not Barry. Somehow they will Get Through To Him or some nonsense.
posted by phearlez at 6:14 PM on May 21, 2017
In order to be able to appear in public and not be confused with "Evil Wells," HR uses a piece of Earth-19 tech to make himself appear to be/look like somebody else (supposedly his Earth-19 partner).
posted by sardonyx at 9:29 AM on May 22, 2017
posted by sardonyx at 9:29 AM on May 22, 2017
But we see him with her in Jitters (and in her lab on first appearance) looking like himself. Do you think they're showing us an inaccurate representation of how things are, a la everyone in the foreign country speaks unaccented english all the time? Seems far more likely the writers have simply shrugged it off/forgotten this was supposed to be going on.
posted by phearlez at 11:11 AM on May 22, 2017
posted by phearlez at 11:11 AM on May 22, 2017
Hey, folks - just started trying to watch the finale and my dvr recording is all glitchy, I'm going to have to watch it from the OnDemand later. Anyone who wants to post a thread for "Finish Line" tonight, please feel free.
posted by oh yeah! at 6:26 PM on May 23, 2017
posted by oh yeah! at 6:26 PM on May 23, 2017
I would have hated this episode except it had Snart in it. Yay Snart!
Iris's wedding vows were very touching.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:10 PM on May 24, 2017
Iris's wedding vows were very touching.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:10 PM on May 24, 2017
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* Hooray for more Leonard Snart. :)
Whenever Snart isn't on screen, the other characters should ask each other, 'Where's Captain Cold?' Also, he should be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine. Some more.
Seriously, I loved that he was the moral center of the episode, and his frenemy status with Barry remains great. Also, I can't help but hope he does put in a good word with his sister for Cisco - the Gypsy stuff is uncomfortable.
* HR/Tracy feels like a way to remove them both from the show.
I'm okay with that. I think I'm ready for Cowboy Wells.
* Iris should've had a better bucket list.
'Film a thing for Barry' should've been on it, along with 'confess shit to Dad,' but she really needed some wants/dreams/hopes on that list, probably as a running thread for a few weeks. Petting a dinosaur! Going to Rome! Something interesting!
* I'm way more invested in Killer Frost vs. Cisco than Savitar's inevitable downfall.
Fights with Savitar remain boring and pointless, while the throwdown in the woods may actually have stakes. (Plus, I like them both, and dislike Barry, and the other fight is just Dumb Barry vs. Future Dumb Mean Barry.)
Reserving judgment on the whole thing until I see how it wraps.
posted by mordax at 9:47 PM on May 16, 2017 [2 favorites]