Supernatural: A Most Holy Man
March 9, 2018 7:07 PM - Season 13, Episode 15 - Subscribe

Sam and Dean are close to collecting everything they need to open a rift into the Apocalyptic World and possibly rescuing Mary and Jack. The one missing ingredient leads the Winchesters to a black market for religious relics where everything is not always as it seems.

A few episode highlights:
- Sam flirting with the relics dealer/facilitator, and especially Dean's facial expressions during that whole scene.
- Sam and Dean spend so much time doing the fake cop thing, it was amusing to see that get turned on its head with that other guy pretending to be a cop.
- After a long dry spell, Dean gets back in the flirting game, only to be interrupted by Sam.
- This exchange:
Dean: "You're such a boy scout"
Sam: "You're such a...I don't know"
posted by litera scripta manet (13 comments total)
 
The fact that this is the second heist episode this season makes me wonder if they're running out of ideas or just getting tired or coming up with Supernatural mysteries. I'm always up for a good heist, but I thought this was a lot more muddled and less entertaining than the previous one. Although I guess maybe this wasn't exactly a heist. And man, was there a lot of double and triple and quadruple crossing.

Oh, and no Castiel and no Gabriel, which makes me very sad. And after the last episode, I would have thought they'd be a little hesitant about just sending Cas out on his own. I bet they're really missing Crowley right about now, or at least when Cas still had his wings. That would have made the whole trip to Syria thing a lot easier.

A few details that really bugged me:

1. This is obviously not the first time it's occurred, but that was clearly an active crime scene, and Sam is just in there touching everything without gloves on. In this very episode they brought up the fact that these guys are officially dead, so wouldn't there prints showing up at a crime scene be a bit of a problem?

2. I feel like this show is usually better at being subtle, and also, the guys are usually pretty sharp about putting things together, so I wish they hadn't needed it spelled out for them quite so much that the guy trying to recover his parish's skull was their "most holy man." I kept thinking in that first sit down when Sam agreed to help recover it, he was going to be like, "Dean, this is the guy." But no, it took until the very end of the episode.

I didn't hate this episode, but it seemed pretty weak overall.
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:14 PM on March 9


Oh, I forgot to include one of my favorite episode moments:

When Sam asks Dean what he would do if someone stole the Impala. Dean, "Murder" *pause* "Torture...If I can't have her, nobody can."

Also, I really thought the hot girl in the coffee shop reading the supernatural book was going to be there to spy on the guys or a demon or something, but I guess she wasn't?
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:59 PM on March 9 [2 favorites]


I wouldn't call it a heist episode. The direction and editing definitely gave it a parody feel of mob shows and movies. I enjoyed that. They went full cliche on everything, from all the double-crossing, to the mob boss stroking a cat, to the shadows in an alley.

Yeah Dean with "I'd murder them all" was fantastic.

I wouldn't have pegged a priest who did a lot of charity as a "most holy man". These relics are usually steeped in lore and are very specific, so yeah, unless the friggin' pope says he's a most holy man, I wouldn't think of him as one that was needed for the spell.
posted by numaner at 8:04 PM on March 9 [1 favorite]


This one kind of bored me, to be honest. It seemed like we were being served up a LOT of mob movie cliches, but without any real spin being put on them. Like, the mobster has a big fluffy cat, like mobsters in old movies do... and that's it. That is not an interesting character quirk or even a joke, it's just a trope that's so played out nobody does it anymore. The music struck me as kind of overwhelming, too. They literally named characters Astor and Greenstreet, and I got the reference but I was just like, "So..?"

Unless I missed something, there was nothing supernatural in this entire episode. The characters were all human, there were no monsters, no magic. Maybe they felt like that was daring and I think it COULD have worked, but the way they played it just made me flash back to the formulaic, middle-of-the-road mystery shows my mom watched in reruns when I was a kid. Barnaby Jones and Murder She Wrote so on. I didn't despise it or anything but there was nothing special or memorable about it and it almost felt like an episode of some whole other, less interesting show.

I'm more interested in the Scooby Doo one. That will either be great fun or a train wreck.

It was kind of nice to see Dean ready to flirt again, after his weird drought the last few seasons.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 2:18 AM on March 10 [2 favorites]


I'd say this was going for more of a noir feel. It didn't succeed spectacularly, but I liked it.

I do expect the Scooby Doo one to be amazing, even (or perhaps especially) if it's a train wreck.
posted by Pryde at 6:57 PM on March 10


Well, yeah, I guess when I said it was full of "mobster movie" cliches that tends to call to mind stuff more like The Godfather and Scorsese. That's not what I meant. And I muddled things further by comparing it to old mystery TV shows, because it wasn't really a mystery either. It was indeed more of a noir parody, with a lot of noir gangster tropes. But something about it made me flash back to older, formulaic TV shows. The whole thing felt very Stephen J. Cannell, and not in a good way.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 10:04 PM on March 10


1. This is obviously not the first time it's occurred, but that was clearly an active crime scene, and Sam is just in there touching everything without gloves on. In this very episode they brought up the fact that these guys are officially dead, so wouldn't there prints showing up at a crime scene be a bit of a problem?

They've been touching stuff with no gloves for 13 years. At this point I think we have to assume they get their fingerprints burnt off like annually or something.

I stopped watching this show years ago and have caught a few episodes this season. Pleasantly surprised that it's actually kinda good again.
posted by fshgrl at 11:07 PM on March 10


Anyone else notice that the episode was directed by Amanda Tapping, who used to play Naomi and of course, Samantha Carter on Stargate? I checked IMDB and this is the third Supernatural episode that she's directed.

It was a fun episode. As noted above, it's getting hard for them to spin up anything new in terms of plots and I sometimes have to just shut up and ignore plot holes but I was entertained. I know we'll never see the gravitas of seasons 2-5 again but I am certain we'll see Fergus Crowley soon enough. And I do a fist pump at the mere thought of Gabriel being back.
posted by Ber at 8:11 AM on March 11 [1 favorite]


They've been touching stuff with no gloves for 13 years.

Yeah, I'm not sure why it bugged me particularly in this episode, because I know they've been doing it forever. Although notably in a Season 1 episode, they go through a whole thing about wiping down their prints when someone died, but I guess that's too much work to keep up with. I think it jumped out at me this episode because Sam was moving much more haphazardly than they usually do.

I wouldn't have pegged a priest who did a lot of charity as a "most holy man". These relics are usually steeped in lore and are very specific, so yeah, unless the friggin' pope says he's a most holy man, I wouldn't think of him as one that was needed for the spell.

I guess the reason he seemed like a good fit to me was because I was thinking back to the spell they did to get rid of the Leviathans/Dick Roman in S7, and they needed a "holy bone" or something like that, and I remember Dean and Sam going through the records of a convent and explicitly picking someone who seemed like more of a humble, holy type (like this guy) rather than a big name religious figure.

Okay, looked it up on the wiki, and in season 7 they were looking for "a bone of a righteous mortal", so a somewhat different phrasing than for the current spell.
posted by litera scripta manet at 12:53 PM on March 11


I zoned out for most of this. But oh....that's where they got the blood was from the random priest? I...guess that works.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:16 PM on March 11 [1 favorite]


Anyone else notice that the episode was directed by Amanda Tapping

I did, and even though I never watched any of the Stargate shows I somehow remembered that she was on Stargate and she's directing now. My mind is weird like that. (Well, my mind is weird in lots of ways, but that's one of the ways it's weird.)

it's getting hard for them to spin up anything new in terms of plots

I haven't had that feeling, until just now. Somebody in another thread mentioned that Murder, She Wrote was on for 12 seasons, which seemed like forever when I was a kid, and it made me think about how very, very old this show really is. Their run has outlasted MASH and Cheers and The X-Files and all these other classic, long-running shows, and if they can keep it going another seven seasons they'll outlast Gunsmoke! And I think it's remarkable how the show doesn't usually show its age. Most of the time it's pretty good, occasionally it's great, every once in a great while it's just bad... but it's rarely dull.

This one stood out to me because it did feel routine, in a way the show usually doesn't. It felt like somebody ELSE's routine, like some tired CBS show from 1979, 1986, 1993. Maybe that's nostalgic for some people, but to me it was a flashback to the TV that bored me when I was a kid.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 10:57 PM on March 11 [1 favorite]


oh the scooby doo episode is March 29th. I can't wait to see how terrible and/or awesome it will be!
posted by numaner at 1:49 PM on March 12


I'm watching this episode now, and it's... wow, is it ever boring.
posted by sarcasticah at 4:19 PM on March 30


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