Legends of Tomorrow: Nip/Stuck
May 6, 2019 7:37 PM - Season 4, Episode 14 - Subscribe
When Sara hesitates to make a tough call, Rory steps up, creating a wedge in the team. Meanwhile, Ava gives Gary the responsibility of handling the Bureau performance reviews for all the Agents.
Homage of the Week is clearly, The Empire Strikes Back, and I have to ask myself when did this show become, The Middleman? In no way a complaint, I love The Middleman, and the references do amuse me but I have to wonder, as someone who does not drink, am I missing the bonus games?
I love that, Legends, is the one show that I never really see any of where they are going. Obviously the team will win in the end but how they get there is never really telegraphed. I only hope that they manage to mention that Constantine has been to hell before so maybe he might know his way around.
posted by Ignorantsavage at 5:33 AM on May 7, 2019 [5 favorites]
I love that, Legends, is the one show that I never really see any of where they are going. Obviously the team will win in the end but how they get there is never really telegraphed. I only hope that they manage to mention that Constantine has been to hell before so maybe he might know his way around.
posted by Ignorantsavage at 5:33 AM on May 7, 2019 [5 favorites]
Not looking at the nipple. Not looking at the nipple. Good use of Wolfie though in dealing with the nipple.
"I love that, Legends, is the one show that I never really see any of where they are going. Obviously the team will win in the end but how they get there is never really telegraphed.
Yup. I loved how Ray's card game played into the whole thing. That was a delight. It reminded me of reading Doris Egan's Ivory trilogy, specifically the strategy that the gang's leader used to problem solve: throw a party, get everyone wasted, see what comes up. Minus the wasted here, I suppose.
I thought pucas/pookas were six-feet-tall bunny rabbits? Disappointed.
I definitely get why Mona is both kind of overkill/annoying and yet sometimes really works. Go figure.
Enjoy your evil while it lasts, Gary. Ouch!
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:09 AM on May 7, 2019 [2 favorites]
"I love that, Legends, is the one show that I never really see any of where they are going. Obviously the team will win in the end but how they get there is never really telegraphed.
Yup. I loved how Ray's card game played into the whole thing. That was a delight. It reminded me of reading Doris Egan's Ivory trilogy, specifically the strategy that the gang's leader used to problem solve: throw a party, get everyone wasted, see what comes up. Minus the wasted here, I suppose.
I thought pucas/pookas were six-feet-tall bunny rabbits? Disappointed.
I definitely get why Mona is both kind of overkill/annoying and yet sometimes really works. Go figure.
Enjoy your evil while it lasts, Gary. Ouch!
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:09 AM on May 7, 2019 [2 favorites]
I was certainly not expecting such a deep dive into the Hellblazer canon or the appearance of the Legends' version of Kon-Sten-Tyn (at least I presume this is who the character is supposed to be). Poor John just never has any luck when he meets his relatives.
I hadn't thought about the fact that Sara, Ray and Mick are the only original Legends left. That's kind of sad. I do hope we get to see more interaction between this trio of teammates in the future, because they're always great playing off of each other. I also think we've been shorted Ray and Mick scenes recently.
I know that this show tends to spend money where it needs to (on the big effects) but there are times when things look so cheap that it kind of takes me out of the show. This week it's the dragon egg and the Celtic robes.
I'm kind of surprised that Gary was able to whammy Nora. Not only is she magical and attuned to evil, but she was also on guard that strange things were happening. I would have thought she'd do a better job putting up resistance. I do, however love the fact that they (sort of) addressed the fact that Nora is, in fact, a minor. And not only is she a minor, she's a minor Ray developed an affection for while she was still a very young child. Although you'd think that the Time Bureau would have a procedure in place for people who aren't actually their biological age due to a) time travel, b) magic, c) science or d) some other reason (please provide explanation below).
Even though we keep giving this show credit for bringing back some insignificant throwaway line or minor character, and basing a major plot point around the recall, we are always still somehow surprised when it does it again in the next episode. Maybe the show has worked in a way to mind wipe the viewers into not expecting them to keep pulling from this wonderful bag of tricks. I wasn't expecting to see the Fairy Godmother again, but she's a welcomed addition to the current story arc. Personally, my preference is that they don't find a new host for her because I like the idea of Neron being so in love with her that it doesn't matter if she's not in the body of a 18-year-old swimsuit model.
posted by sardonyx at 5:53 PM on May 7, 2019 [4 favorites]
I hadn't thought about the fact that Sara, Ray and Mick are the only original Legends left. That's kind of sad. I do hope we get to see more interaction between this trio of teammates in the future, because they're always great playing off of each other. I also think we've been shorted Ray and Mick scenes recently.
I know that this show tends to spend money where it needs to (on the big effects) but there are times when things look so cheap that it kind of takes me out of the show. This week it's the dragon egg and the Celtic robes.
I'm kind of surprised that Gary was able to whammy Nora. Not only is she magical and attuned to evil, but she was also on guard that strange things were happening. I would have thought she'd do a better job putting up resistance. I do, however love the fact that they (sort of) addressed the fact that Nora is, in fact, a minor. And not only is she a minor, she's a minor Ray developed an affection for while she was still a very young child. Although you'd think that the Time Bureau would have a procedure in place for people who aren't actually their biological age due to a) time travel, b) magic, c) science or d) some other reason (please provide explanation below).
Even though we keep giving this show credit for bringing back some insignificant throwaway line or minor character, and basing a major plot point around the recall, we are always still somehow surprised when it does it again in the next episode. Maybe the show has worked in a way to mind wipe the viewers into not expecting them to keep pulling from this wonderful bag of tricks. I wasn't expecting to see the Fairy Godmother again, but she's a welcomed addition to the current story arc. Personally, my preference is that they don't find a new host for her because I like the idea of Neron being so in love with her that it doesn't matter if she's not in the body of a 18-year-old swimsuit model.
posted by sardonyx at 5:53 PM on May 7, 2019 [4 favorites]
I do not know that the host she needs is a new body. As I recall she needs someone to make wishes for her to be able to use her powers. She and Neron may just need to find someone who will make the right kinds of wish.
posted by Ignorantsavage at 10:00 PM on May 7, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Ignorantsavage at 10:00 PM on May 7, 2019 [1 favorite]
I think they thought she needed a body because they thought she was a demon. She actually needs a host in the form of someone to make wishes, but she appears to have latched onto Gary already (she nerfed Mona for him).
posted by mordax at 11:26 PM on May 7, 2019
posted by mordax at 11:26 PM on May 7, 2019
(I suppose I am positing that Gary Green may be all the man she needs.)
posted by mordax at 11:31 PM on May 7, 2019 [7 favorites]
posted by mordax at 11:31 PM on May 7, 2019 [7 favorites]
I suspect they didn't find out if they were renewed until after they finished filming, but BOY would I like to see Neron-in-Ray's-body be the big bad for next season. Brandon Routh is so enjoyable to watch when he's this kind of evil. (He was very good at being evil in Chuck, but that was more of a sad thing.) I also wouldn't mind seeing Gary stay evil for a while. (Or perhaps even be NEXT season's Big Bad.)
I did not find the first 45 minutes ho-hum at all. I found myself thinking: look how deftly they're balancing three plots that could EACH be the A-plot. (Plus the Nate/Zari and Sara and Mick stuff!) I'm just thinking back to Stargate SG-1, and they would have done just one of these plots for an episode and it would have felt satisfying. (Okay, well, they did something like the Gary bit with the episode "Hathor" but that was NOT AT ALL satisfying. This was much better executed.) Narrative sure has changed in 20 years and the Legends writers in particular know how to stuff 3 hours of plot into a 1-hour episode.
Half a season ago if you'd proposed Nate/Zari to me I would have said "Whaaaa?" And yet it works.
I liked seeing Sara take on some of Ray's vibes here.
Gary did raise a good point last episode; he's disrespected and mocked a lot of the time. Granted, often for good reason, but I'm hoping they do something with that realization rather than dropping it.
Does anyone else want a copy of Cards to Save the Timeline? Or Ray Palmer's Survival Guide? Like, if I heard they were doing those as ComicCon swag I'd try to sneak in.
posted by rednikki at 4:06 PM on May 8, 2019 [5 favorites]
I did not find the first 45 minutes ho-hum at all. I found myself thinking: look how deftly they're balancing three plots that could EACH be the A-plot. (Plus the Nate/Zari and Sara and Mick stuff!) I'm just thinking back to Stargate SG-1, and they would have done just one of these plots for an episode and it would have felt satisfying. (Okay, well, they did something like the Gary bit with the episode "Hathor" but that was NOT AT ALL satisfying. This was much better executed.) Narrative sure has changed in 20 years and the Legends writers in particular know how to stuff 3 hours of plot into a 1-hour episode.
Half a season ago if you'd proposed Nate/Zari to me I would have said "Whaaaa?" And yet it works.
I liked seeing Sara take on some of Ray's vibes here.
Gary did raise a good point last episode; he's disrespected and mocked a lot of the time. Granted, often for good reason, but I'm hoping they do something with that realization rather than dropping it.
Does anyone else want a copy of Cards to Save the Timeline? Or Ray Palmer's Survival Guide? Like, if I heard they were doing those as ComicCon swag I'd try to sneak in.
posted by rednikki at 4:06 PM on May 8, 2019 [5 favorites]
I probably shouldn't ask this, but is there any evidence that Mona ate the nipple, or did she spit it out? If she consumed it, I can see that being a problem, what with it being a piece of hell and whatnot. That can't be very good for the digestive system, or for the soul of the nipple nibbler.
posted by sardonyx at 8:42 PM on May 8, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by sardonyx at 8:42 PM on May 8, 2019 [1 favorite]
I probably shouldn't ask this, but is there any evidence that Mona ate the nipple
I don't believe we saw that answered one way or the other. I guess it could go either way: on the one hand, she's empowered by a Kaupe, and those totally eat people. On the other, she knew the nipple was demonic. Guess it's a question of how much control she has when she wolfs out.
posted by mordax at 9:48 PM on May 8, 2019
I don't believe we saw that answered one way or the other. I guess it could go either way: on the one hand, she's empowered by a Kaupe, and those totally eat people. On the other, she knew the nipple was demonic. Guess it's a question of how much control she has when she wolfs out.
posted by mordax at 9:48 PM on May 8, 2019
That nipple was scary as hell! I mean, hilarious and evil-dead-y but also scary. I mean, it BLINKED.
Gary did raise a good point last episode; he's disrespected and mocked a lot of the time. Granted, often for good reason, but I'm hoping they do something with that realization rather than dropping it.
I agree, and also, it's sad that the demon tempted Gary by saying he'd "make him whole." Poor Gary! I had shrugged off how they treated him, but ironically, Gary doing something as awful as helping a demon makes me think back and realize he was really hurting, and now I want everybody to help him and make him part of the team.
Meanwhile, Mona frustrates me, though. I actually like the actress, I think she's got a lot of charisma. But the character is like a ten-year-old and not in a cool way.
Nora is maybe my favorite. I loved how anxious she was getting trying to file her time bureau paperwork. Although I feel like the one place where her wonky ID documents wouldn't be a huge bureaucratic problem would be at the TIME bureau.
Ava's hair was irritating me in this episode. I just can't warm up to the character, I guess, because when how her hair is styled is irritating me, things have clearly descended to "bitch eating crackers" level. But I'm sorry, it looked so unprofessional hanging limply over one shoulder like that. She looked like a Duggar daughter.
I really enjoyed Constantine in this episode, especially how he was with the little pookah. It was touching that he threw himself into Hell to go save Ray, but I also found it hilarious how comfortable and happy he seemed when he finally landed there. He fit right in! Hahaha.
I'm still not feeling Nate and Zari as a couple, but their relationship is making me like each one of them better because they're each being so cute. I like how upset Nate is over Ray.
And Ray is great as a demon! I love Ray anyway, but this version of him is fantastic. It was so fun that the Legends used his card game to try and save themselves, too -- the Ray that created that card game was SO different from Nuron-wearing-Ray, it created a nice contrast.
Tabitha was fantastic and I really, really hope that she keeps looking like a Fairy Godmother. In general, I love the idea of a Fairy Godmother and a demon being in love. The two really aren't that different, now that I think of it.
posted by rue72 at 12:45 PM on May 9, 2019 [2 favorites]
Gary did raise a good point last episode; he's disrespected and mocked a lot of the time. Granted, often for good reason, but I'm hoping they do something with that realization rather than dropping it.
I agree, and also, it's sad that the demon tempted Gary by saying he'd "make him whole." Poor Gary! I had shrugged off how they treated him, but ironically, Gary doing something as awful as helping a demon makes me think back and realize he was really hurting, and now I want everybody to help him and make him part of the team.
Meanwhile, Mona frustrates me, though. I actually like the actress, I think she's got a lot of charisma. But the character is like a ten-year-old and not in a cool way.
Nora is maybe my favorite. I loved how anxious she was getting trying to file her time bureau paperwork. Although I feel like the one place where her wonky ID documents wouldn't be a huge bureaucratic problem would be at the TIME bureau.
Ava's hair was irritating me in this episode. I just can't warm up to the character, I guess, because when how her hair is styled is irritating me, things have clearly descended to "bitch eating crackers" level. But I'm sorry, it looked so unprofessional hanging limply over one shoulder like that. She looked like a Duggar daughter.
I really enjoyed Constantine in this episode, especially how he was with the little pookah. It was touching that he threw himself into Hell to go save Ray, but I also found it hilarious how comfortable and happy he seemed when he finally landed there. He fit right in! Hahaha.
I'm still not feeling Nate and Zari as a couple, but their relationship is making me like each one of them better because they're each being so cute. I like how upset Nate is over Ray.
And Ray is great as a demon! I love Ray anyway, but this version of him is fantastic. It was so fun that the Legends used his card game to try and save themselves, too -- the Ray that created that card game was SO different from Nuron-wearing-Ray, it created a nice contrast.
Tabitha was fantastic and I really, really hope that she keeps looking like a Fairy Godmother. In general, I love the idea of a Fairy Godmother and a demon being in love. The two really aren't that different, now that I think of it.
posted by rue72 at 12:45 PM on May 9, 2019 [2 favorites]
Ray Palmer's Survival Guide
with foreword by Ray Palmer
by Ray Palmer
posted by numaner at 12:28 PM on May 15, 2019 [3 favorites]
with foreword by Ray Palmer
by Ray Palmer
posted by numaner at 12:28 PM on May 15, 2019 [3 favorites]
I do, however love the fact that they (sort of) addressed the fact that Nora is, in fact, a minor.
I must have missed this, where did they address her age? Also, the Nora we know right now is probably from 2039. From the wiki:
I would say he saw the good in her and was kind to her, but the romantic affection wasn't clear until he met her adult self.
posted by numaner at 8:13 AM on May 16, 2019
I must have missed this, where did they address her age? Also, the Nora we know right now is probably from 2039. From the wiki:
In "No Country for Old Dads", Nora states that she has been mourning her mother for 23 years. This implies that the adult version of Nora is from around the year 2039, thus being 35 or 36 years old as of that episode.And not only is she a minor, she's a minor Ray developed an affection for while she was still a very young child
I would say he saw the good in her and was kind to her, but the romantic affection wasn't clear until he met her adult self.
posted by numaner at 8:13 AM on May 16, 2019
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posted by oh yeah! at 3:43 AM on May 7, 2019 [1 favorite]