Star Trek: Discovery: Far From Home
October 22, 2020 9:27 AM - Season 3, Episode 2 - Subscribe

Meanwhile, back on the ship (and the planet they landed on)...

Memory Alpha has decided that ice is not nice:

- The USS Discovery's crew complement was established as 136 in "Choose Your Pain". With 88 crew remaining, approximately 48 must have decided to remain aboard the USS Enterprise in "Such Sweet Sorrow".

- The Coridanites were previously seen in ENT: "Shadows of P'Jem" and "Demons".

- Zareh uses the term V'draysh, first used in the Star Trek: Short Treks episode "Calypso". According to "Calypso" writer Michael Chabon, "V'draysh" is a syncope, a type of linguistic distortion, of "Federation".

- Burnham establishes that a year has passed since the events of the "That Hope Is You, Part 1" set in 3188, setting this episode in 3189.

Poster's Log:

First, something that I didn't know is that, for those of us getting CBS All Access through Amazon Prime, the eps might show up on CBS' own app/page before AP; here's how to use your AP login on CBS [reddit] so that you can get the ep ASAP.

As for the ep itself: great follow-up to the season premiere last week, with a structure that we're familiar with: alternating between away team and shipboard crew working on different parts of a problem under a (to some extent literal) time crunch and also through/with some crew injuries. The shipboard stuff is OK, with some pretty standard Jeffries tube wrangling, although Tig Notaro continues to be my favorite permanent S2 addition. Saru and Tilly (and eventually Georgiou) in the miners' saloon, though, was excellent, taking a fairly standard space-westernish scene and turning it into a sharp definition and set-up of the Federation restoration storyline that seems to have already been established as the arc for the season, if not the rest of the series. That Georgiou is better equipped to deal with the crapsack galaxy and its various roaming murderhoboes is not at all surprising (BTW, I'm not referring to her as "Mirror-Georgiou" because she's been around much longer than Prime-Georgiou, who died in S1E2); that Saru correspondingly is still Mr. Starfleet is also not shocking; that Georgiou backed down from Saru sticking to his guns and pulling rank is a bit surprising--after all, Georgiou very obviously still thinks of herself as the empress, on some level--unless, as is highly likely, she's still playing the long game and waiting to see who the major players, if anyone, are and maybe thinking ahead to finding out if the future might need, or would accept, an empress.

Anyway, good work all around. Especially, I'd like to note that Tilly seems to be throttling back the whole jeepers-I'm-just-a-goofy-nerd thing; there were some complaints last season that what had been charming in S1 was starting to wear thin in S2, and Mary Wiseman modulates that in the bar scene--hopefully, that endures. And the bit with Detmer seemingly in shock after the crash landing was also good; I mean, we all like the typical, unflappable-under-pressure Starfleet professionalism, but it's still good to see that at least one of the crew gets shaken by something that's basically never supposed to happen. (I don't want to get off onto the whole space-is-really-really-big thing again, but it's highly unlikely that they'd end up anywhere near a planet in the first place, let alone that they'd crash-land that quickly; even if they got caught in a planet's gravity well, it should take them a while to spiral in.) Finally, on the bad-guy side, Jake Weber as Zareh does a good job of having someone pretty awful be pretty matter-of-fact about it.

Poster's Log, supplemental: really interested in finding out what kind of ship Burnham has (probably just Book's, but still), and what she's been up to in the past year; the glimpses that we've seen of her in previews with her hair gradually growing out (I thought that she might have been sequestered in a shuttle, but maybe it's her own cabin in Book's ship) reminded me of everyone's Zoom face.
posted by Halloween Jack (69 comments total) 4 users marked this as a favorite
 


I found it reasonably enjoyable, and I hope someone clever invents seatbelts soon. It's clear what they are trying to say morally by letting the bad guy live, but it does seem like henchmen don't count as people sometimes.

I have decided to enjoy it as it is and consider Trek Canon to stop with Voyager.
posted by Marticus at 2:09 PM on October 22


I thought that this was a stronger episode than the first -- Star Trek always works better for me when there's an ensemble cast.

(And if some enterprising fanfic writer doesn't make my Georgiou/Saru crack ship happen by the end of the season, I'm going to be Very Disappointed.)
posted by confluency at 3:40 PM on October 22


What's the deal with the 'personal' transporters? How does one give the coordinates to where you want to transport to? It seems to be a magical device that gets you where you want to go just by personal intention. But then, the old-style transporter is magical too, but at least you could say there was some computers and sensors figuring out where you wanted to go and making sure you don't transport in the middle of something solid.
posted by ShooBoo at 5:09 PM on October 22 [1 favorite]


Well, space magic is space magic, and making the magical device smaller is a logical outcome of technological advancement if you stipulate the possibility of what it does in the first place. We've already seen the portable holoemitter, the device used by the EMH on VOY that took something that, like the transporter, was originally room-sized, and shrunk it down to the size of a small cookie. That was 29th-century technology. The personal transporter does have its limits; the distance doesn't seem all that great (it takes several jumps to bring Burnham and Book back to his ship) and takes time to recharge between jumps.
posted by Halloween Jack at 5:50 PM on October 22


Why did the guy know that they were time travelers and that the ship was named “Discovery”?
posted by vogon_poet at 6:32 PM on October 22


Why did the guy know that they were time travelers and that the ship was named “Discovery”?

Space Magic.
posted by Marticus at 7:50 PM on October 22


Why did the guy know that they were time travelers and that the ship was named “Discovery”?

He says as much in the bar scene: gamma radiation and gravitational waves imply time travel. As to "Discovery", he recited the registry number and the shipname, which suggests that he can see. Book's ship has a cloak, so it's entirely reasonable that Zareh's ship might as well. The ship's name is... on the ship.

Georgiou also pointed out that they're 900-odd years in the future. If the Disco crew could detect a ship like their's coming down and crashing on a planet, well, odds are others could, too.
posted by danhon at 7:55 PM on October 22 [1 favorite]


Jake Weber definitely effective.

As for the 'space magic,' I read it as Zareh reasoning it out, although time travel is a bit of a stretch, and his accuracy is unbelievable.

But using Jon_Evil's example from the last episode thread, if a steam powered ironclad showed up, what other conclusion could one come up with?

Would the Discovery have it's (legit) transponder on or no?

The weapons seem paradoxically more powerful and less. It took forever for Zareh's to melt the dude. I guess the cruelty of a slow death is the point. Still, kind of a stupid weapon.

I wonder how quickly Saru's darts grow back? Or can you reload them like inserting contact lenses or something? (if so, can you load up engineered prosthetic darts?) Can you choose it to be lethal or not? Saru darted Zareh good, apparently incapacitated him, but not lethally? I can't see getting a few cactus needles stuck in you would slow down someone like Zareh.
posted by porpoise at 8:46 PM on October 22 [2 favorites]


Man, I do love Georgiou and the blackly-humorous bits about Lachlan bits.

I am enjoying this.
posted by suelac at 10:04 PM on October 22 [2 favorites]


Question that I keep coming back to related to the snark about seatbelts above, perhaps somebody who knows the maths better can help out:

So, because Space Magic, the ship has inertial dampeners, so that everybody isn't turned to mush-against-the-back-wall every time they accelerate to warp speed. Cool.

The speed at which they hit the planet was less than light-speed, but they still covered something coming close to the distance-to-the-moon 400k km in a minute or two. And on impact (and without seatbelts/restraints) everyone was tossed out of their chairs like you'd see in a low-impact car crash, so presumably, the inertial dampeners or whatever Space Magic used to keep them from turning to jelly weren't entirely working.

... how incredibly narrow is that window where they must have had some sort of Magic failsafe to not be liquified on impact, but were still thrown out of their chairs? That's one that always gets me: seems like either they should be insta-dead... or barely register the crash.
posted by Seeba at 4:46 AM on October 23 [2 favorites]


So, what’s wrong with Detmer?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 4:50 AM on October 23 [7 favorites]


MA reminds us that the planet Coridan was a maaaajor source of dilithium in what seems to be the vicinity of the Federation's core. So, at minimum, the fact that these guys living on this specific world are Coridanites probably has something to do with their history as dilithium miners.

Another huge tonal shift from one episode to the next, in true DISCO form, but at least this time it makes perfect sense story-wise. I may have enjoyed this one more than the premiere, thanks to the slower, more focused pace—and spending a lot of time among well-established characters. The Saru/Tilly conversation while they were walking away from the ship was excellent.

I don't want to get off onto the whole space-is-really-really-big thing again, but it's highly unlikely that they'd end up anywhere near a planet in the first place

I can handwave this by factoring in the "gravitational waves" factor that apparently accompanies (certain types of?) time travel. Maybe a ship engaged in (that type of?) time travel is naturally, gravitationally drawn to temporal frames that correlate with the presence (due to galactic motion) of a planet or other large body. We've seen other time-travel mechanisms where you leave specific coordinates on Planet N and show up a specified number of years in the future/past but on those same coordinates, which shouldn't happen if you're not also travelling spatially.

I wonder how quickly Saru's darts grow back?

I found myself wondering that too. Maybe he takes mineral supplements to accelerate it.

... how incredibly narrow is that window where they must have had some sort of Magic failsafe to not be liquified on impact, but were still thrown out of their chairs? That's one that always gets me: seems like either they should be insta-dead... or barely register the crash.

Yeah, this is one that I can't think of a halfway plausible Treknobabble explanation for, but OTOH it's not as if this phenomenon is unique to Trek, either.

So, what’s wrong with Detmer?

I'm guessing a cybernetic malfunction that nobody aboard the ship will detect until it's too late and she goes on a rampage that's meant as a PSTD allegory.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 5:49 AM on October 23 [5 favorites]


I've seen some speculation online that Detmer got the same Control bug that Airiam had, but I'm really hoping that they don't even think of going there again; once was plenty. I'm guessing that they're going to make it straight-up PTSD, as this crew is allowed to have personal faults (to put it mildly--oh, I wasn't specifically meaning you, Stamets, I just happened to rest my eyes in your general direction for a moment). Although it's a reminder that the Sphere Data, with whatever degree of sentience and volition that it possesses, is still aboard the ship.

As for the inertial dampeners, I don't have my TNG Tech Manual in front of me, but I think that it does mention a delay before they cut in; they obviously can't be on all the time, or the crew wouldn't be able to move. There's probably been more than one of what you might call a chunky salsa incident, but I'm not in a hurry to see that either; I was thinking in the shower that DIS is probably the goriest iteration of Trek ever, between cleaning up what's left of Leland in the spore chamber, the scene aboard the Glenn in "Context is for Kings", L'Rell's decapitated "heads" show-and-tell in S2, and probably some other things that I'm blanking out. (Cannibalism, if you're extending the definition cross-species to include sentient beings eating other sentient beings, WRT the Kelpiens.) There's a lot that can be done without hauling out buckets of stage blood.
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:28 AM on October 23


I'm looking forward to the inevitable episode where they telegraph Burnham's adaptability and emotional growth via a hair montage.

I feel like is coming and I hate that I do and hope that I'm wrong.. and yet...

Black hair can never just be hair on American Network TV
posted by Faintdreams at 7:15 AM on October 23


Why did the guy know that they were time travelers and that the ship was named “Discovery”?
posted by vogon_poet at 1:32 AM on October 23 [+] [!]

Burnham has been looking for them for some time

Every space mercenary within communications distance probably knows about the GOLDMINE THAT IS "THE DISCOVERY" THE ONLY KNOWN SHIP THAT SILL HAS DILITHIUM is out there .. somewhere
posted by Faintdreams at 7:20 AM on October 23 [3 favorites]


The big question I couldn't remember is that it seems like Trek is kinda hit and miss on whether the shields can protect against physical hits, i.e. early in the "asteroid field" part of their reentry, the FX team clearly had rocks bouncing off shields and I swear Trek has been _awfully_ hesitant to enter asteroid fields in the past because spaaaaace rooooocks. Like, are the shields/deflectors just good for energy weapons, which is fine because nobody's rockin' a CIWS in space in the 23rd century, or is it just that, y'know, a photon torpedo doesn't hold a candle to several megatons of rock?

And yeah, I wasn't bothered that Zerah knew as much about Discovery as he did - we have no idea how long Michael has been on the scene, for all we know the underworld has had plenty of time to figure out how to put one and one together.
posted by Kyol at 7:22 AM on October 23


Oh and how much do we know about Detmer's implant? I mean, could it just be hinting at something like "she's cut off from the Collective" but, uh, not Borg-ish?
posted by Kyol at 7:23 AM on October 23


I think what I didn’t like is - Georgiou would have had no idea that the guns take four shots to die, so, in a world with better guns was her plan just shitty and is she dead? So is she actually /not/ most prepared to deal with everything but just /thinks/ she is because it worked?
posted by corb at 7:33 AM on October 23 [2 favorites]


a hair montage.

[Spoiler]This week’s Ready Room has a preview for next week’s episode, and it includes the Hair Montage.

posted by 1970s Antihero at 7:46 AM on October 23 [3 favorites]


It took forever for Zareh's to melt the dude. I guess the cruelty of a slow death is the point. Still, kind of a stupid weapon.

I agree. Once he turned the gun on Saru and Tilly, I was thinking it was useless against two people at short range, because if he fired at one the other could easily rush him before the damage reached lethal levels.

How was it that Zareh knew how many (uninjured) crew were aboard Discovery? I feel like I missed something there.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 8:10 AM on October 23


How was it that Zareh knew how many (uninjured) crew were aboard Discovery? I feel like I missed something there.

Maybe future life-sign scanners are more granular than the 23rd-24th centuries'.

Or…maybe he remotely hacked Detmer and downloaded that data.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 8:27 AM on October 23


Once he turned the gun on Saru and Tilly, I was thinking it was useless against two people at short range, because if he fired at one the other could easily rush him before the damage reached lethal levels.

Maybe it's got a "just hurt them a lot" setting - the crapsack equivalent of "stun". Zareh did say he was going to make Georgiou's death slow, which implies he had a choice. When he's in a hurry, he turns it up to 11 and just blasts people.
posted by Mogur at 8:52 AM on October 23 [2 favorites]


That being said, I'm new to the show, so I don't know how Georgiou came to be on board and under what terms. I saw her look up at Saru as she climbed to her feet and he nodded to her before all heck broke loose, but I'm to sure if he was nodding permission or nodding his understanding of what she was going to do anyway and he was ready to back her up.
posted by Mogur at 9:00 AM on October 23


Sorry, last one: "T-shirt has a hyphen in it." made me burst out laughing.
posted by Mogur at 9:01 AM on October 23 [6 favorites]


And yeah I mean as much as I liked the _point_ of that bit of the story - a little Jett / Stamets / Culber action - seriously? The thing that apparently was the episode tech macguffin, once it's replaced woo baby we're cookin' with gas, and nobody manages to stop the guy who's leaking blood from unusual orifices from crawling into a jeffries tube to ever-so-slowly creep his wounded ass to the bit that needed fixing? I mean, Airiam Nilsson even showed up to help out, you couldn't send her up to scoot past Stamets? c'mon.
posted by Kyol at 9:11 AM on October 23 [5 favorites]


That bit at the end where the tractor beam lifted them out of the ice, and they were all 'what should we do?', when the answer was obviously 'open a channel', I haven't spent any time at Starfleet academy, shouldn't they be quicker at this stuff than me?

Who is Lt Rhys?
posted by biffa at 12:06 PM on October 23 [6 favorites]


I'm enjoying this! Feels like it's where the whole series should have started.
posted by Sokka shot first at 12:27 PM on October 23


I thought the first episode was better. It seemed like a break from season 2, which I welcomed, while this had too much that undermined that. The Stamets/Reno stuff dragged as much as it did last season. Hoping they're not going to burn through Detmer as they did with Airiam, before doing much with her.

I don't think they're making the best of Michelle Yeoh either. Her character just seems badly served.
posted by biffa at 12:58 PM on October 23


Why did the guy know that they were time travelers and that the ship was named “Discovery”?

Sensors detected a Federation ship, they had outdated tech, and what is (was) the Federation famous for just constantly, constantly fucking around with? Time travel. QED.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 2:38 PM on October 23


Reno and Stametz bickering is gold, in fact the whole script was very witty. I dimly recall Detmer was probed/interfaced with by the ..sphere(????) way back in Season 2 and we have yet to see the pay-off. Unfortunately I recall very few details of Season 2. Because it was broadcast in a bygone epoch... wow this time-travelling into the future we're all engaged in can sure be confusing.
posted by Coaticass at 2:55 PM on October 23 [1 favorite]


Season 2 rewatch definitely a project.
posted by Coaticass at 2:57 PM on October 23


I was extremely pleased to see in the credits that the official credited name of the character was Ensign Hazmat
posted by DoctorFedora at 2:59 PM on October 23 [10 favorites]


HA! That is awesome.
posted by Coaticass at 2:59 PM on October 23


That bit at the end where the tractor beam lifted them out of the ice, and they were all 'what should we do?', when the answer was obviously 'open a channel', I haven't spent any time at Starfleet academy, shouldn't they be quicker at this stuff than me?

Yeah it was so obvious it was going to be Burnham, the tension seemed really forced. There's an "enemy ship" right above you? How do you know it's an enemy? Sensors aren't even fully functional yet!
posted by EndsOfInvention at 4:51 PM on October 23 [3 favorites]


"T-shirt has a hyphen in it." made me burst out laughing.

Whereas for me the "… and I only got this lousy t-shirt" from Culber and "clean up on aisle 5" from Reno took me out of it by being so of our time (not nearly as much the use of "pro-tip" did in Picard). I miss the somewhat stilted, stylized speech of 90s Trek.
posted by Strutter Cane - United Planets Stilt Patrol at 4:55 PM on October 23 [3 favorites]


That bit at the end where the tractor beam lifted them out of the ice, and they were all 'what should we do?', when the answer was obviously 'open a channel', I haven't spent any time at Starfleet academy, shouldn't they be quicker at this stuff than me?

I literally shouted OPEN A CHANNEL!! at the screen. Sheesh.
posted by oneirodynia at 5:05 PM on October 23 [7 favorites]


The Ready Room has a very fun discussion with Mary Wiseman about the evolution of Tilly's hair. I hadn't realized that was actually Wiseman's hair.
posted by suelac at 7:35 PM on October 23 [2 favorites]


The speed at which they hit the planet was less than light-speed, but they still covered something coming close to the distance-to-the-moon 400k km in a minute or two. And on impact (and without seatbelts/restraints) everyone was tossed out of their chairs like you'd see in a low-impact car crash, so presumably, the inertial dampeners or whatever Space Magic used to keep them from turning to jelly weren't entirely working.

I think it’s related to the TVTropes “SF Writers Have No Sense of Scale” thing. In general in sf, collisions that approximate the velocity you might have in your Nissan are treated as ways to get knocked unconscious or maybe get a bloodied forehead, while collisions that should involve messy high-energy physics... same. I can’t help but recall the 2000 movie Red Planet where a manned ship crash (?) lands on Mars but gets a soft landing as it is packed inside a sphere of airbags to cushion the impact. But then we get a wider shot and see that — oh no! The sphere of airbags is rolling slowly toward a cliff! Our heroes are in peril!

The filmmakers are apparently hoping we’ve forgotten from 45 seconds earlier that this thing just fell from orbit and was safe, not now a drop of a hundred metres is supposed to be seen as potentially lethal.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:12 PM on October 23 [4 favorites]


(Hang on was that Detmer or Airiam? Urgh.)
posted by Coaticass at 8:28 PM on October 23


how incredibly narrow is that window

Incredibly narrow.
posted by porpoise at 10:13 PM on October 23 [2 favorites]


Re: the inertial dampers, the treknobabble just needs to make it so they work really well instantly damping things down from "everyone is smeared paste" to minor turbulence, but the final amount of turbulence just isn't that controlled. It's emergency equipment so its believable that it would be good at working fast, but bad at fine control. Airbags are kind of that way. This would also explain why they are tossed around about the same from minor impacts as full speed crashes.
posted by surlyben at 10:21 PM on October 23 [1 favorite]


Meh, I liked the first episode better. It was nice having only one character to focus on. This episode was an exhausting revisit of all the major characters and their Defining Personality Traits. Georgiou is ruthless, Saru is optimistic, Tilly is exhausting, Detmer is half-robot, Stamets is stubborn, Culber is caring but sassy. And Reno is the 21st century standup comic. OK, I get it, but thanks for reminding me of each one in a clumsily on-the-nose scene. Oddly it's Reno who works best for me, I think just because she's hilarious and her dialog is so far out of line for a Starfleet Officer. (The “I already forgot” line was amazing. She shoud get transferred to the USS Cerritos.)

I did like the theme of Starfleet still being this sort of mythical force in the universe. Particularly Kal going all-in on trusting them. And Saru defending Starfleet ideals despite being in the far future with a Space Empress about to blow his face off. Folks on Fanfare have complained about this show getting away from idealistic Starfleet. It's still there, in the mythology, and in Saru. I hope they explore that theme more in the grim dark warpless future.

"Parasitic ice"? Really? Oh well as MacGuffins go at least it'll easily be forgotten.
posted by Nelson at 8:33 AM on October 24 [4 favorites]


As you talk about it, I'm getting more and more intrigued by the idea of "Federation-as-religion" blowing up in Michael's face, because when the only people who like you are religious fanatics, bad stuff can happen.

I HOPE that's where they are going with this. But probably not. :(
posted by Mogur at 12:23 PM on October 24 [2 favorites]


The big question I couldn't remember is that it seems like Trek is kinda hit and miss on whether the shields can protect against physical hits, i.e. early in the "asteroid field" part of their reentry, the FX team clearly had rocks bouncing off shields and I swear Trek has been _awfully_ hesitant to enter asteroid fields in the past because spaaaaace rooooocks. Like, are the shields/deflectors just good for energy weapons, which is fine because nobody's rockin' a CIWS in space in the 23rd century, or is it just that, y'know, a photon torpedo doesn't hold a candle to several megatons of rock?

Well they've always been a bit dodgy on the specifics; the yields of photon torpedos, when referenced in passing, certainly seem like they'd compare favorably to Very Large Rocks but in practice, the shields seem to be fine handling both weapons and small(ish) rocks and not so hot at handling rocks of a sufficiently large size. (Deflector shields have to be able to handle matter to at least some degree, since they're also the explanation for why a single speck of space-dust doesn't just rip a hole straight through a starship traveling at warp speeds.) If I were inclined to headcanon, I would imagine that deflector shields work okay at dissipating/redirecting energy that comes in the form of a single burst (even a very large burst like a photon torpedo), but are less effective at dealing with sources of continuous, ongoing energy, like sustained phaser fire (hence the usual effort to make evasive maneuvers) or a really big rock.

"Parasitic ice"? Really? Oh well as MacGuffins go at least it'll easily be forgotten.

Yeaaaahh I didn't get so hung up on the spaceship crashing/inertial dampeners question (it is an interesting one though), but "parasitic ice" was really egregiously dumb. Moreso because it wasn't even necessary! You can just have the atmosphere be such that when the sun goes down, the temperature drops and ice forms around the ship. It doesn't need to be "parasitic" whatever the heck that is even supposed to mean. Oh well, as you say, it's dumb but also forgettable.

They better have something better, and more interesting, in mind for Detmer than just Airiam-gets-Controlled redux.
posted by mstokes650 at 3:41 PM on October 24


I will say though that I think this was the most genuinely ensemble-y that Discovery has ever been, and I liked that a lot. I hope they keep some of that energy even when Burnham is back on board.
posted by mstokes650 at 3:42 PM on October 24 [2 favorites]


I feel like the theme of this season so far has been "what if we dropped a crew from Star Trek into the universe from Star Wars"
posted by Jon_Evil at 10:16 PM on October 24 [3 favorites]


"Parasitic ice"? Really? Oh well as MacGuffins go at least it'll easily be forgotten.

Lost in Space did "crashing on an Ice Planet" better.
posted by mikelieman at 4:05 AM on October 25 [1 favorite]


That looked like way more than a year's worth of hair growth on Burnham.

Saru should have deployed his neck darts much sooner.
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 12:20 PM on October 25 [1 favorite]


New viewer here - does the audience already know about Saru's neck darts, or is this a brand new thing?
posted by Mogur at 2:34 PM on October 25


It was a whole convoluted plot point -- he develops the neck darts midway through season 2, and it turns out to be a big revelation about the lifecycle of his species, which has been hidden by the other species that treats them as a food source. Previously he had some kind of organ that was highly attuned to dangerous situations.
posted by vogon_poet at 4:41 PM on October 25


That looked like way more than a year's worth of hair growth on Burnham.


Oh, yeah, it's just kind of dumb, they should admit to the extensions. That's like 5 years of hair otherwise.
posted by suelac at 5:16 PM on October 25 [2 favorites]


New viewer here - does the audience already know about Saru's neck darts, or is this a brand new thing?

Yes, it was a significant plot point in the last season.

You've missed a tremendous amount of character development in the past two seasons. Unlike, say, TNG, DISCO has been far more serialised in its storytelling. In the last two seasons, things (and the story) did not return to a comfortable baseline at the conclusion of each episode.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 5:20 PM on October 25 [2 favorites]


Yeah it was so obvious it was going to be Burnham, the tension seemed really forced.

Ok, I wasn't expecting it to be Burnham, I thought it would be our new miner friends in Zareh's ship. (and I think thematically that would've worked better, since it kinda cheapens all the effort they went through to fix the ship if Burnham would've tractor-beamed them out either way)
posted by ckape at 8:45 PM on October 25 [1 favorite]


So is Jet demeaning multiple of her subordinates as they remove dangerous material from her work area supposed to be endearing or
posted by StarkRoads at 9:14 PM on October 25 [6 favorites]


I just want to note my appreciation for Halloween Jack's tagging on these posts.
posted by automatronic at 3:15 AM on October 26 [2 favorites]


Is Burnam contractually obligated to get teary-eyed in every episode?
posted by Jon_Evil at 7:12 PM on October 26


So is Jet demeaning multiple of her subordinates as they remove dangerous material from her work area supposed to be endearing or

Yeah that pissed me off. That and the fact that there shouldn't even be a janitor on a post-scarcity Federation starship that's organized like a military vessel.

I have an irrational belief that if you have a cellular regeneration chamber* you must have a decent cellular de-generation device to clean up gore, not some lackey with a primitive broom and dustpan from Target.

*somehow pristine and perfectly functional on a ship that's been pounded to bits
posted by oneirodynia at 7:35 PM on October 26 [2 favorites]


Perhaps the shifts in the physical constants of the universe that caused dilithium to become unstable have also caused hair to grow much faster.
posted by vogon_poet at 4:53 PM on October 27 [3 favorites]


So is Jet demeaning her subordinate
there shouldn't even be a janitor on a post-scarcity Federation starship that's organized like a military vessel


I feel like you might have missed the point, or have never seen a duty roster with an unpleasant entry

Ensign Hazmat knows exactly what he did to draw mop bucket duty, and won't be doing it twice.
posted by bartleby at 5:41 PM on October 27 [9 favorites]


Okay, so I've caught up, I think.
So we're not doing Omega Molecule that was rumored between seasons (subspace is broken, therefore no warp drive, therefore Spore Drive Starship is Key); but we're doing that thing from one of the novels, where a virus(?) makes all the dilithium go poof.
Either way, this season is going to be the one where they do GR's Andromeda, where one ship from The Golden Age returns to the corrupted present and rekindles the Galactic Republic, ahem, the Federation. Right?
Cool, we'll get to do some cool Trek-values speechifying.

Really liking the Saru arc; both with watching someone grow into Captaincy rather than show up as a prefab Marty Stu, while also being a Command Training Program mentor for Tilly.

Speaking of arcs, I'm a no-go on 'infected Detmer'. One because I have a crush, and two because that's lazy and I have something a bit better.
This episode: the disorientation, I want to believe, was showing - in very rare for Trek fashion - a member of the bridge crew 'getting their bell rung'. As it goes on, let's see what Starfleet PTSD looks like; after all, this is a woman who already lost an eye and part of her skull on the Shenzou. As a climax, I'd like to see her Break a little from that, maybe take it out on Burnham cathartically. Shouting, feebly hitting her, angry crying in impotent rage, "why is it, whenever You have one of your brilliant plans, I'm the one to go flying over an exploding console! I know we've pledged to our lives to Starfleet, but do you have to keep risking MINE. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME!? Do you not even see what we've all given up, just to save Your ass?" /fanfic>
posted by bartleby at 6:12 PM on October 27 [5 favorites]


AND WHY HAVEN'T WE INSTALLED SOME FUCKING SEATBELTS?!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:14 PM on October 27 [5 favorites]


Perhaps the shifts in the physical constants of the universe that caused dilithium to become unstable have also caused hair to grow much faster.

They're just extensions made out of programmable matter. New hair every episode!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:15 PM on October 27 [5 favorites]


I feel like you might have missed the point, or have never seen a duty roster with an unpleasant entry

I don't know if you've seen a lot of Star Trek, but punishment details in starfleet have been depicted about zero times. You can read it as subtext that that's what the scene's about, but it requires reading a bit into it that's not really there as presented.

The character is very barely sketched in Jet to insult them, and you're supposed to like it because Jet's supposed to be the snarky quippy character that you like. It doesn't strike everybody as being especially charming.
posted by StarkRoads at 8:21 PM on October 27


A Senior Engineering Officer exclaiming Jesus Christ! in surprise has been depicted zero times before.
It's NuTrek. Things change.

It's too long to explain, but addressing them by Duty Detail, anonymously, preserves organizational dignity. She'll meet that guy for the first time next shift when he's back at his regular station in Sickbay or Stellar Cartography, and he'll be glad she never got his name.

If you really want to get mad at names, CAN WE PLEASE INTRODUCE THE REST OF THE BRIDGE CREW ALREADY. Can Rhys and Bryce (had to look them up) get stuck adrift in a shuttlepod or something? Bottle episode?
posted by bartleby at 10:20 PM on October 27 [3 favorites]


I don't know if you've seen a lot of Star Trek, but punishment details in starfleet have been depicted about zero times.

"TOS Enterprise is an informal punishment or retaliation detail for women" is like the easiest retcon ever.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 1:11 PM on October 28


It's too long to explain, but addressing them by Duty Detail, anonymously, preserves organizational dignity. She'll meet that guy for the first time next shift when he's back at his regular station in Sickbay or Stellar Cartography, and he'll be glad she never got his name.

Totally agreed it would be pretty impossible for 2/88ths of the crew to somehow avoid each other for the rest of the trip.

If the theory has a weakness, it's that it doesn't really to reflect the experience and probable knowledge of the extremely fancy and wealthy folks who are writing the show. It's a bit wannabe-Aaron-Sorkinish.
posted by StarkRoads at 6:52 PM on October 28


Rhys and Bryce in the Parasitic Ice sounds nice
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:08 PM on October 29


Rhys and Bryce in the Parasitic Ice sounds nice
Riunite, Riunite!
posted by bartleby at 1:46 PM on November 20 [1 favorite]


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