The Acolyte: Day
June 18, 2024 10:19 PM - Season 1, Episode 4 - Subscribe

Racing to the next target, the Jedi head to a new world as they close in on the clever assassin.
posted by TheophileEscargot (23 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
 
Aaargh cliffhanger!

I didn't really buy Mae's sudden change of sides, but otherwise a cool episode. Would have liked to see more of Kelnacca though, a Wookiee Jedi fighting would be something to see.

In general when it comes to Disney Star Wars, I think the stuff with new characters works a lot better than when they try to revive old characters. Andor and The Mandalorian were great. Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Book of Boba Fett not great. Maybe it's harder to have a character journey when the characters are established. Or maybe they just get lazy and rely on fan affection.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 10:24 PM on June 18 [2 favorites]


I’m enjoying it! But I’ve enjoyed pretty much all of the Disney Star Wars shows. Boba Fett dragged the most but I even found things to like there (like Fennec Shand, because Ming-Na Wen is always great).

I’ll certainly be surprised if the masked master doesn’t turn out to be Qimir.
posted by Pryde at 7:57 AM on June 19 [3 favorites]


I was pretty convinced that Qimir was not the master, but this episode went a long way to convincing me he may be, in fact, Darth Bortles. The overly goofy behavior (like an evil Yoda), his shiftiness around answering Mae's questions, the sudden appearance of the Big Bad at the end of the episode... it could still be a misdirect, but it's a little suspect.
posted by Saxon Kane at 11:44 AM on June 19 [9 favorites]


This makes the Holiday special look like a work of genius. Can Kathleen Kennedy please retire?
posted by Ideefixe at 1:13 PM on June 19 [1 favorite]


Darth Bortles! {dying}
posted by kokaku at 1:49 PM on June 19 [2 favorites]


At this point I’m finding most of these characters deeply unpleasant, aside from Sol and Actually Effective Padawan.

This is halfway finished, already?
posted by hototogisu at 1:56 PM on June 19


ha, awesome! Plot! Double Plot!

I do dig on the Mae character turn, I dunno. But it is because I have an opinion on what Sol has been denying this episode, and Mae's innocence is part of that. And of course, now we are being teased with a reveal in the diegesis, with What Sol Has Hidden.

Creatures! They could have done more with the creature beat, but I suppose it would have not been as 'Star Wars' to focus on the horror of the terrain. this series is about plot. Cicada horror? good choice for the forest planet, I don't think the forest planet is as critical to the plot, it's just Wookie in plot = forest planet; but I do love the landscapes. I'll take your RolyPoly-flyingSpider-Cicada, thank you.

As I expected, the trip to Coruscant could have been a space email, and Sol was right that it wasted critical time.

So is this the most "Star Trek" of the Star Wars? This had the least wire work yet, and was very "away team."

I do feel like this is angering the video-game Star Wars fans the most, as it is the least video-game-y Star Wars. Your enjoyment of this series may be related to your KOTOR playtime and need for power fantasy, don't be mad when this series ends with an emotional catharsis!

The new bad guy is...Revan! haha that would not make the angry people happy at all. the next episode will explore how Revan feels about his time with amnesia, and feature NO space battles with awesome space powers.

I am enjoying the episode to episode plot twists; the characters are deep into how jedi training modulates your grief response...which is an extremely starwarsy subject to tie your TV characters to, and that is pulling me away from caring as much about the characters as I think I would.

We also got that with Reva. But also, many people didn't like that character because, I forget, that character was great for the fans that enjoy Luke Skywalker style melodrama.

But, excellent cliffhanger, well done, TV.
posted by eustatic at 3:23 PM on June 19 [4 favorites]


I enjoyed this episode, and my main problem with it is that it was too short. It felt like waking up too early from a dream.

I wish we’d’ve gotten more Kelnacca, if only because Joonas Suotamo knows how to move like a Wookie. To often they look like men in gorilla costumes, but when Suotamo plays Kelnacca or Chewbacca, there’s a feeling of inhuman musculature.

I’ll admit that I had a hard time following what was going on at the Jedi meeting because the whole time my brain was going: “is that? … is it? … yes it is Ki-Adi Mundi!”

It also had the problem of not making much sense. It feels like he show is setting something up on Coruscant, but until that happens, all the stuff at the Jedi Temple seems tangential, which was never a problem in Clone Wars.

Complaints aside, I thought this was a fairly good episode. Not as solid as the previous one, but it had lots of things I like about Star Wars. A diminutive weird alien! A droid being a clown! Cool looking spaceships! Jedis being owned! Unexpectedly poignant phrases!

As for the last one, I found myself moved by Jecki saying: “We aren’t defined by what we lose, but by what we survive.” Or words to that effect. I had, in some ways, kind of a shitty childhood, and I sometimes feel like I lost out on certain aspects of being a kid, but I survived. So that line put words to an emotion I didn’t quite realize was there. So good job young space wizard, making a grown man feel weak while watching a show about laser swords.
posted by Kattullus at 4:48 PM on June 19 [9 favorites]


I'll admit I sorta end up rolling my eyes at the prequels whenever you end up with a handful of Jedi stomping around. I mean, sure, Anakin and Obi-Wan and Yoda were all some of the best possible Jedi after Order 66 (er ok also broadly speaking some of the _only_ Jedi after order 66, but you know what I mean), but you always kind of got the impression even in Clone Wars that it was one riot, one Jedi (as it were) - they were highly powerful and capable, and you didn't need ... uh. _six_ of them to protect another Jedi from a potential force user attack.

But on the other hand if you have a whole Jedi Temple on Coruscant and smaller temples out on the rim and blah blah blah, there's going to be a lot of Jedi out there, which sort of... I dunno, always sort of waters down their uniqueness to me.
posted by Kyol at 7:41 PM on June 19


Things I liked: Osha mouthing off to Yord. Yord. Bazil, but I would have preferred the captions to give him complicated articulate sentences instead of "roaring", to negate the impression that he's somehow more primitive because he looks like an otter. Manny Jacinto being really fucking weaselly. Osha recognizing her inability to be impartial and stepping back. Jecki, pretty much across the board.

Things I didn't like: Mae being just incredibly naive about almost everything. The cop-ishness of the Jedi group. The "civilian robe". The weird pacing and timing: times and distances in Star Wars are always weird, but Sol's group got from Coruscant to a remote planet on the Outer Rim in the amount of time it took Mae and Qimir to hike 20 miles?

Things that made me squint and tilt my head sideways: do the Jedi not believe in being prepared? Honestly, they are going for a hike in the woods of unknown length or distance, and nobody has a fucking pack? WHY did Mae suddenly have such a change of heart? WHY did she tell fucking Qimir everything she was thinking? When she already knows he has a relationship with her master?

I feel like there are these weird gaps in the emotional flow of this show, like the writers are skipping from A to D without giving us B and C in how the characters think and feel. And that makes some sense for the flashbacks, but in the "current" time of the show it's confusing and jarring.

... also, did anyone get distracted by Sol's ears in the scene where all the Jedi talked about what to do? They stuck out from his hair in a very strange way and I kept thinking they were pointed...
posted by suelac at 10:07 PM on June 19 [6 favorites]


I feel like there are these weird gaps in the emotional flow of this show, like the writers are skipping from A to D without giving us B and C in how the characters think and feel.

Who needs story structure or competent editing when you have some bullshit After Effects wipe transitions?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 4:44 AM on June 20 [1 favorite]


Jedi adhere to the Conservation of Ninjutsu. As do Sith.
posted by Molesome at 5:44 AM on June 20 [7 favorites]


I find myself fascinated by deeply negative reactions to this show. It's been billed as a mystery as as such I think it's working at that level. It's not fun fights and grand adventure, it's Only Murders In The Jedi and either that interests you or you despise it, apparently. I think the ambiguous motivations and incomplete information for the audience is working on me: I'm trying to puzzle out who wants what and what every being is or is not. And it certainly gets at something that the extant information about Jedi is all about: the agency of mystical super cops are not really better than you and me at decision-making. Those Jedi make mistakes but good. But following the mysteries is good enough. Who has a secret identity or not? Who is aligned with who and why? I don't know that I have confidence that it will come to a satisfying end. It feels like a project that may end up in a ditch...but it also feels like the showrunners are headed in a direction and not aimless in the way Obi-Wan was.

If the only outcome is that we get a little bit of backstory about The Emperor, or "here's why there's only 2 Sith at a time" then this show could have been an email. But there's some good texture about Force usage that also keeps me engaged. I find myself looking forward to when the new episodes come out like Andor did.

I don't find it bad. And it's certainly not bad in the way SWHS is bad, the badness of the Holiday Special is that it put highly competent people working in their preferred medium (throwaway 70s teevee variety show extravaganza) with a subject unsuited to that (see the documentary, it's fascinating).
posted by artlung at 10:33 AM on June 20 [9 favorites]


I don't think it's terrible, but I was hoping for better, I guess. I do like the cast, though, they are doing what they can with what they're given.
posted by suelac at 10:46 AM on June 20 [2 favorites]


It's not working as a mystery for me, because there is no Hercule Poirot at the center of it all. It's nothing but unreliable narrators, and I don't understand any of the characters' motivations.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 11:35 AM on June 20 [3 favorites]


It's not working as a mystery for me, because there is no Hercule Poirot at the center of it all. It's nothing but unreliable narrators, and I don't understand any of the characters' motivations.

Seconding this. I'm finding this show to be a bit of a mess. First, they dispensed of the whodunnit rather quickly and turned it into a whydunnit, but I don't think they're doing a good job of delivering a whydunnit. I'm curious to know what the Jedi did, but that mystery makes 90% of the plot seem irrelevant. And then Mae all of a sudden, out of nowhere, deciding to abandon her mission or whatever you want to call it really deflated things.

I guess Sol is supposed to be our detective, but he doesn't seem to do much detecting. He just goes somewhere, has an encounter, goes back to Coruscant, begs to go somewhere else, has another encounter... It feels very plodding as a mystery. If it's a mystery, I want clues, I want red herrings, I want, well, a mystery, not a bunch of errands.

Even the unreliable narrator thing is not going well because they don't really center any particular character's POV that strongly, save for the third episode.

There are interesting elements here. I want to know more about the witches' coven. I like the idea of exploring corruption in the Jedi and the guilt some of them might hold onto. I thought the appearance of Darth Smiley at the end was great. But nothing feels like it is cohering particularly well.
posted by synecdoche at 1:50 PM on June 20 [3 favorites]


bullshit After Effects wipe transitions
Per Kill James Bond, these are known as Single-ply Wipes
posted by coriolisdave at 5:12 PM on June 20 [2 favorites]


Some episodes of the show have kept me engaged and others... not so much. But, I also remember feeling conflicted the first time I watched Rashomon (and I heard that The Acolyte is styled after that film). Rashomon is not so much a who-dun-it mystery as a study in perspectivism. Ultimately the mystery is left unsolved, and the film is better for it. Some parts of it are incomprehensible or contradictory until the final scenes; then, taken as a whole, they make a powerful statement.

I'm willing to give the Acolyte show runners the benefit of the doubt, for now. I don't know that this series once it is over will measure up to Rashomon, but few films or series ever will. Still, I appreciate the ambition in even trying. I'd like to see more ambitious projects set within the Star Wars galaxy, even if they aren't pitch perfect from beginning to end.
posted by abraxasaxarba at 11:56 AM on June 21 [4 favorites]


The ending just accentuates how dumb lightsabers are as weapons. If one slips out of your hand and touches any part of your body, at the minimum you have a severe burn, and you could easily end up with an amputated limb or dead depending on how it falls.

When the bad guy sends all the Jedis flying backward through the air, all it would take to wreck havoc is for one lightsaber to get loose.
posted by ShooBoo at 1:43 PM on June 22 [1 favorite]


New theory: the big bad is one of the witches who managed to survive. Maybe Cora.
posted by medusa at 9:38 AM on June 23 [1 favorite]


bullshit After Effects wipe transitions

You may not like them, but these are direct homages to George Lucas. He loved himself some wipe transitions. These are just a few of the things that Leyland has sprinkled into the show to reflect her appreciation of Star Wars. Surprisingly, we got a "I have a bad feeling about this" pretty early on!

I've been enjoying this show and I think it's been picking up momentum as it moves along. There are two mysteries in this show: 1) What really happened at the Coven when Osha was "rescued" and Mae "died." and then 2) What is the plan of the Dark Side users in this show? I don't think the answer to one is directly tied into the answer for two, but it is being used by the Sith Master(Lord?) as part of their manipulation of events.

Don't worry about our Jedi Wookiee, we definitely got more flashbacks coming our way! Same way we get more of the original four Jedi on Coven planet. Fun fact, Joonas went through "Wookiee" school with Peter Mayhew during The Force Awakens for the times when he would be playing Chewbacca instead of Mayhew. So Mayhew was the Wookiee Master, and Joonas, his Wookiee Apprentice!

I don't know if we have to look too deep for motivations. Mae was motivated, in part, by getting revenge for the death of her sister. The fact Osha is alive altered her path, and I definitely would have appreciated a bit more build up to the decision versus just dropping it on Manny near the end of their hike. Mae's personality has gotten a bit brighter, and I don't know if that's because she knows her sister is alive, or it's just not being consistent with the character. I'd like to go with the former, it makes sense, but it helps differentiate the twins by having less than identical personalities. The previous episode did a good job of that in their childhood.

Osha's motivation is, well, dealing with what happened. She doesn't have the same excitement, at least, without baggage, with Mae being alive because she believes Mae is responsible for murdering their family. Frankly, it's not a very CLEAR motivation. We're more on her path of discovering who she is supposed to be after being dragged back in from working a non-union job for the Trade Federation. Sol's motivation is that he appears to be driven to make right what went wrong and he doesn't know if it's possible, but he also believes Mae may not be 100% evil and that Osha can help him. They can save her together. So we got guilt, and instead of seeking absolution via poison vial, he's putting in the work but the resolution is still iffy.

Our other characters don't really need motivations so much as they are guided by their perspectives. Yord is a new knight and he's immensely proud of this and wants to be the best Jedi he can be, even if that means he's coming across as arrogant, a bit prudish, and a martinet. He's that rookie cop eager to serve the law, so to speak. Jecki, well, Jecki is basically the real detective. shes' the one asking questions, to people, out in the open regarding mysteries, and so on. I 100% thought I was not going to be a fan of Jecki, but she has won me over. TEAM JECKI.

BTW, those nasty bugs on the trees? We are SOOOO going to see them attacking our surviving Jedi in the next episode. This is "Day" I think the next is titled, "Night" ? Anyways, I think they're nocturnal (did Jecki say that?) so they'll be attacking folks as they make their escape from our Sith/Dark Side User Whoever.

So Qimer. I'm of the team of thought that Qimer is NOT the overall Sith puppet master at play here. He is the guy in the mask, and he "may" be who Mae interprets to be the Master, but I think he's actually an apprentice to the Master and is working for the Master toward a bigger goal: taking control of one or both twins? Using their specialness power? I loved the lowkey alight in the background from off frame of his arrival at Kelnaca's front yard. Yes, every Jedi that we met this episode on this mission is totally a red-shirt, but I don't know if I really feel this is a "Trek" like show.

Ki-Adi Mundi. Oh dear lord. Leyland definitely brought him in because he's the one that very clearly claims there hasn't been any Sith for ages. So however this show wraps up, it's going to wrap up in a manner that leads him to believe that there are no Sith. Maybe it'll be pinned on the witches, which is again, one reason we have that mystery. I also continue to detest Vern's concern about optics for the Order. ARgh! We should see some light whip action in the next episode (based off the trailers that flashed over and over), but how or why Vern shows up there, you got me.

Outstanding questions: 1) What happens next?!

2) Is Mae going to end up being forced to go with the Helmet Head or will Osha be abducted (and told the "truth" of what happened)?

3) Will we get longer episodes?!
posted by Atreides at 7:11 AM on June 24 [5 favorites]


If you had asked me to guess which old West End Games, pre-Mouse-EU alien species would get a bunch of scenes in…really anything Mouse Canon? Tynnans wouldn't have been among my first fifty guesses. I'm sure Bazil will die horribly but I hope I'm wrong.

(Still waiting on Herglics. C'mon, Mouse! Herglics are frickin' awesome and they're supposed to be all over the place dangit.)
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 10:23 AM on June 24 [3 favorites]


Do we know anything about the Bad Guy we see at the end? That helmet is sure distinctive, am I supposed to recognize its style? The figure is about the right size to be Qimir but we don't see any identifying characteristics other than the red lightsaber.

this episode went a long way to convincing me he may be, in fact, Darth Bortles

They sure are gesturing heavily to that with the direction and writing. So much so that I wonder if it's a double-cross-fake. But no, I doubt it's that clever.

I'm liking this show. It's a bit of a mess, sure, but it's entertaining and new. I'm particularly enjoying watching it for all the High Republic stuff, coming off playing Star Wars: Jedi Survivor. The stories dovetail nicely. Next I want a sitcom set on Coruscant. What the Jedi most need is a laugh track and a Paul Lynde type taking the piss.
posted by Nelson at 7:10 AM on June 25 [2 favorites]


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