Supergirl: Manhunter
March 22, 2016 5:20 AM - Season 1, Episode 17 - Subscribe
J'onn J'onzz discloses the details of meeting with Kara and Alex's father, and the takeover of Hank Henshaw's identity; Kara must decide whether to trust someone with her secret identity; Siobhan devises a plot against Kara.
Why is that Marine wearing his dress blues at an interrogation?
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:11 AM on March 22, 2016
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:11 AM on March 22, 2016
None of that investigation made sense. What's the point of the lie detector if you're just going to use your woman's intuition, Lucy? I totally expected them to be agents of Non or something because instead of the exhaustive search and interrogations they said they were doing, they just book it out of there with Alex and J'onn with no apparent regard to the interview whatsoever.
Alex bringing J'onn cookies was the cutest, though.
posted by ODiV at 11:38 AM on March 22, 2016
Alex bringing J'onn cookies was the cutest, though.
posted by ODiV at 11:38 AM on March 22, 2016
The handling of Lucy's reveal was pretty good, though I still LOL that all it takes is Kara busting open her shirt and taking off her glasses. I wish they would make it canon that Kryptonians can oh, blast a fake aura or appearance filter or some damn thing to make it actually believable that you can't figure out who's who. I'm just saying, if I can eyeball a coworker from fifty paces away, all these people should be able to figure out who Superpeople are, even genre blind :P
Cool to hear that Jeremiah's still alive somewhere.
Superman has a point about not working with the government. Concur that that was a waste of McClintock.
I still think it's quite reasonable to put an alien in charge of alien threats.
posted by jenfullmoon at 12:13 PM on March 22, 2016
Cool to hear that Jeremiah's still alive somewhere.
Superman has a point about not working with the government. Concur that that was a waste of McClintock.
I still think it's quite reasonable to put an alien in charge of alien threats.
posted by jenfullmoon at 12:13 PM on March 22, 2016
I pretty much hated this episode and it was annoying me continuously. I don't know if I was just in a bad mood, but I felt like there was a lot of unnecessary broadcast network stupidity in this episode. Many things don't make much sense, don't stand up to scrutiny, and then other things are just that hand-holding that the networks do, like having Hank's eyes flash red in the scene immediately following true-Hank's death.
I don't even understand how Lucy is able to leave the military and then return in a senior position so casually.
And if I have to hear another stupid name-drop from Cat, I'm going to throw something. I'm not opposed to this on principle -- it seems like somehow this could work. Not the way they're doing it, though, each name-drop is calling way too much attention to itself. I think it would work better if they were much more subtle, things that you might not notice. Alternatively, if the writing is intending this to be an annoying and ostentatious tic of Cat's, then they're succeeding -- I'm just not sure exactly what they would think they're doing, though, because it undermines the characterization they're trying to establish. Ostentatious name-droppers are insecure, grasping people and they've made Cat out to be very much not that. I feel pretty certain that what they're aiming for here is to emphasize that she's an important, accomplished person who knows everyone. But that kind of person mentions other famous people they know only when it's relevant, not willy-nilly.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:14 PM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
I don't even understand how Lucy is able to leave the military and then return in a senior position so casually.
And if I have to hear another stupid name-drop from Cat, I'm going to throw something. I'm not opposed to this on principle -- it seems like somehow this could work. Not the way they're doing it, though, each name-drop is calling way too much attention to itself. I think it would work better if they were much more subtle, things that you might not notice. Alternatively, if the writing is intending this to be an annoying and ostentatious tic of Cat's, then they're succeeding -- I'm just not sure exactly what they would think they're doing, though, because it undermines the characterization they're trying to establish. Ostentatious name-droppers are insecure, grasping people and they've made Cat out to be very much not that. I feel pretty certain that what they're aiming for here is to emphasize that she's an important, accomplished person who knows everyone. But that kind of person mentions other famous people they know only when it's relevant, not willy-nilly.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:14 PM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
I'm going to take a wild guess that somehow Lucy was working two jobs or something :P No, none of that job stuff made any sense. What the hell was Lucy doing there anyway?
I think the conspicuous name-dropping (really, I doubt you're Kate Middleton's friend) is to show she's still insecure deep down or at least being a total showoff. Also to annoy the audience.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:16 PM on March 22, 2016
I think the conspicuous name-dropping (really, I doubt you're Kate Middleton's friend) is to show she's still insecure deep down or at least being a total showoff. Also to annoy the audience.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:16 PM on March 22, 2016
The only good thing about this episode was J'onn finally got his Oreos--err, Chocos. I swear if I worked in Nabisco's PR department and I heard somebody was using the Martian Manhunter, especially on what's supposed to be a family-oriented show, I'd be pushing the company to sponsor it like crazy.
(For non comic readers, here are a couple of sequential JLI pages showing J'onn's devotion to his favourite cookie.)
posted by sardonyx at 7:07 PM on March 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
(For non comic readers, here are a couple of sequential JLI pages showing J'onn's devotion to his favourite cookie.)
posted by sardonyx at 7:07 PM on March 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
I get that they wanted to push home some fitting in/not fitting in thematic stuff, but Lucy carts Kara's sister and her friend off to a secret military alien dissection lab and then angrily, self-righteously asks her why aliens lie all the time? How is Kara's answer not "UM HELLO, YOU HAVE A SECRET ALIEN DISSECTION LAB"? But no, apparently it's because [insert heartwarming flashback]. That was the point where I just couldn't go along with the nonsense anymore.
posted by mstokes650 at 7:55 PM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by mstokes650 at 7:55 PM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Superman has a point about not working with the government.
And yet, he's okay with allowing it to happen.
The handling of Lucy's reveal was pretty good, though I still LOL that all it takes is Kara busting open her shirt and taking off her glasses.
Heh. BUSTING.
Alex bringing J'onn cookies was the cutest, though.
Sadly, no specific product mention.
Which is the first time I have ever said that.
(Were they Chicos? Which in Australia are brown jelly babies.... and probably hella racist in 21C USA.)
Concur that that was a waste of McClintock.
He'll be back, I reckon. He has some stuff to guard.
Also, in addition to Kara not having a password protected computer (or the early scene where the entire staff just vanish so James can answer the phone), did anyone else think the scene with 'Lil Kara and Dean "Once Was Superman" Cain, just after the amazing car rescue, as being a giant Fuck You to Man of Steel and the "you have to let people die" speech from Not Pa Kent?
I ask because, I often see things that might be giant Fuck Yous to Man of Steel in Supergirl.
And, speaking of which, how CUTE is next week's episode looking? I could watch that '85% chance of punching line' for hours.
posted by Mezentian at 4:16 AM on March 23, 2016
And yet, he's okay with allowing it to happen.
The handling of Lucy's reveal was pretty good, though I still LOL that all it takes is Kara busting open her shirt and taking off her glasses.
Heh. BUSTING.
Alex bringing J'onn cookies was the cutest, though.
Sadly, no specific product mention.
Which is the first time I have ever said that.
(Were they Chicos? Which in Australia are brown jelly babies.... and probably hella racist in 21C USA.)
Concur that that was a waste of McClintock.
He'll be back, I reckon. He has some stuff to guard.
Also, in addition to Kara not having a password protected computer (or the early scene where the entire staff just vanish so James can answer the phone), did anyone else think the scene with 'Lil Kara and Dean "Once Was Superman" Cain, just after the amazing car rescue, as being a giant Fuck You to Man of Steel and the "you have to let people die" speech from Not Pa Kent?
I ask because, I often see things that might be giant Fuck Yous to Man of Steel in Supergirl.
And, speaking of which, how CUTE is next week's episode looking? I could watch that '85% chance of punching line' for hours.
posted by Mezentian at 4:16 AM on March 23, 2016
Chocos. The J'onn J'onzz has a fondness for Chocos.
Trivia bit: The young Kara ripping off the car door scene was filmed for the pilot but not used.
posted by plastic_animals at 8:29 AM on March 23, 2016 [2 favorites]
Trivia bit: The young Kara ripping off the car door scene was filmed for the pilot but not used.
posted by plastic_animals at 8:29 AM on March 23, 2016 [2 favorites]
I was ok with all the hand-wavy stuff in the episode, mostly because of the flashbacks.
Pete! Oh man the minute I saw him I wanted Myka to pop out and goo Supergirl.
posted by numaner at 8:38 AM on March 23, 2016
Pete! Oh man the minute I saw him I wanted Myka to pop out and goo Supergirl.
posted by numaner at 8:38 AM on March 23, 2016
"I was ok with all the hand-wavy stuff in the episode, mostly because of the flashbacks."
Young Kara ripping doors off of cars and saving people was so much better than the rest of the episode. I'd enjoy more of that kind of thing, although I know that she didn't do it again (as far as we know).
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:29 PM on March 23, 2016
Young Kara ripping doors off of cars and saving people was so much better than the rest of the episode. I'd enjoy more of that kind of thing, although I know that she didn't do it again (as far as we know).
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:29 PM on March 23, 2016
I ask because, I often see things that might be giant Fuck Yous to Man of Steel in Supergirl.
I see them too, and not just on Supergirl.
Every time you see someone help someone across the street, or hold the door open, or loan an umbrella when it's raining; every time you see children sharing a swing or playing with puppies, or when two strangers smile at each other...remember, that's a giant "Fuck You!" To Man of Steel.
posted by happyroach at 12:20 AM on March 24, 2016 [6 favorites]
I see them too, and not just on Supergirl.
Every time you see someone help someone across the street, or hold the door open, or loan an umbrella when it's raining; every time you see children sharing a swing or playing with puppies, or when two strangers smile at each other...remember, that's a giant "Fuck You!" To Man of Steel.
posted by happyroach at 12:20 AM on March 24, 2016 [6 favorites]
I learnt something:
Chocos were originally called Oreos, the real-world name brand for the Nabisco cookie product. The name was retroactively changed to "Chocos" in Martian Manhunter ...
posted by Mezentian at 2:24 AM on March 24, 2016
Chocos were originally called Oreos, the real-world name brand for the Nabisco cookie product. The name was retroactively changed to "Chocos" in Martian Manhunter ...
posted by Mezentian at 2:24 AM on March 24, 2016
Did I miss something or was Alex's hand not broken this week? Supergirl did break it last week, right?
posted by plastic_animals at 4:48 AM on March 24, 2016
posted by plastic_animals at 4:48 AM on March 24, 2016
Did I miss something or was Alex's hand not broken this week? Supergirl did break it last week, right?
hand-wavy stuff ;-)
Young Kara ripping doors off of cars and saving people was so much better than the rest of the episode. I'd enjoy more of that kind of thing, although I know that she didn't do it again (as far as we know).
I enjoy superhero flashback and origin story stuff, which is why those segments of Arrow worked for me, as well as the first few seasons of Smallville.
posted by numaner at 7:27 AM on March 25, 2016
hand-wavy stuff ;-)
Young Kara ripping doors off of cars and saving people was so much better than the rest of the episode. I'd enjoy more of that kind of thing, although I know that she didn't do it again (as far as we know).
I enjoy superhero flashback and origin story stuff, which is why those segments of Arrow worked for me, as well as the first few seasons of Smallville.
posted by numaner at 7:27 AM on March 25, 2016
I enjoy superhero flashback and origin story stuff, which is why those segments of Arrow worked for me, as well as the first few seasons of Smallville.
You said nice things about Smallville?
*hides DVDs*
KILL THE IMPOSTER!
posted by Mezentian at 8:16 AM on March 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
You said nice things about Smallville?
*hides DVDs*
KILL THE IMPOSTER!
posted by Mezentian at 8:16 AM on March 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
Hilariously for me, I didn't have your actual Smallville DVDs yesterday, but terrible, Polish rips.
I went shopping today.
I have 8861 minutes of Smallville ahead of me.
posted by Mezentian at 2:54 AM on March 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
I went shopping today.
I have 8861 minutes of Smallville ahead of me.
posted by Mezentian at 2:54 AM on March 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
By the way, I believe I am owed some kittens.
posted by Naberius at 9:16 AM on April 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Naberius at 9:16 AM on April 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
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