Supernatural: The Foundry
October 30, 2016 7:01 PM - Season 12, Episode 3 - Subscribe

The Winchesters go on a ghost hunt, while Castiel and Crowley hunt down Lucifer.
posted by cfoxhi (8 comments total)
This makes for a pretty good horror episode, particularly with the creepy doll. The Castiel and Crowley play the Winchesters narrative was fairly good though some parts seemed out of character (notably Castiel being sarcastic). Loved that Rowena rescued herself.
posted by cfoxhi at 7:04 PM on October 30, 2016 [2 favorites]

The 'Agent Beyonce' thing just about killed me.
posted by mordax at 11:07 PM on October 30, 2016 [3 favorites]

The 'Agent Beyonce' thing just about killed me.

Oh god yes. The best part of it was that he had cards printed.
posted by tomboko at 8:11 AM on October 31, 2016 [5 favorites]

And yet nobody ever, ever says anything about the stupid agent names!
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:19 PM on October 31, 2016 [2 favorites]

I am very, very cautiously optimistic about a Crowley and Cas team. The showrunner's decision on Cas' choice of cars is telegraphing a certain kind of "Dad."

I feel bad that I want something bad to happen to Mary soon to terminate that storyline.

he had cards printed.

Yeah, and the printshop that made them wouldn't have reported Cas because they were obviously joke business cards.

Though there'd still be something about using the FBI logo without permission.
posted by porpoise at 6:36 PM on January 3, 2022


Crowley: [to Castiel, who has just used his Agent Beyoncé alias] I guess that makes me Agent Jay Z.

Lucifer: Red, what did you do?
Rowena: Sped up the decaying process, my Lord. You thought Keith Richards was bad? Try Iggy Pop.
Lucifer: Oh, decapitation is far too merciful for you, Ginger Bitch!

Rowena: Until you forced me to get back in the game, I'd tried to forget about Lucifer. I loathe him, and I loathe that I had any part in letting him out of the pit he belongs in.
Castiel: So you'll help us, then?
Rowena: Good God, no. That whole FBI pantsuit look? Not my hex bag. But if you get Lucifer cornered and find yourself in need, I'm there.


The motorcycle comment Dean makes was improvised by Jensen Ackles.

Mary introduces herself as Shirley Partridge, with Sam and Dean as (David) Cassidy and (Danny) Bonaduce. All members of the 1970's TV musical sitcom The Partridge Family.

While most movies and TV shows have made up addresses, the address of 1781 Chamberlain Lane is only partially made up. Chamberlain Lane does exist in Maplewood (Ramsey County), Minnesota, but the addresses start in the 3000s. Also, when Sam says that he is in the "St. Paul Police" database, that would be in keeping with the numbering system for St. Paul if there was a "Chamberlain Lane" in St. Paul.

In the newspaper article, Hugo Moriarty's daughter is named Josephine, but Sam says, "Let's get started with this girl here, Elizabeth Moriarty."

In the summary Jen says things she didn't say in the same scene of the previous chapter.
posted by orange swan at 9:16 AM on January 10, 2022

Kudos to Misha Collins and Samantha Smith for uttering their characters' utterly ridiculous aliases with straight faces. I think "Agent Beyoncé" is one of the funniest bits in the entire series.

I do like that Mary Winchester is actually given the emotional space to be disoriented and lost upon her return to life -- as she would be! -- even if it's difficult for Sam and Dean to accept that she would want to leave them, even temporarily. Given Dean's abandonment issues, she couldn't have given him a more bitter pill to swallow.

I like Mary's choppy new do. It looks so much more contemporary than that long hair, which was so 1984. And Samantha Smith must have been so glad when she could finally change out of that damn nightgown that she's been wearing in every appearance on the show for twelve years.
posted by orange swan at 9:23 AM on January 10, 2022

I also really like that Mary's feelings are allowed to be complicated and difficult. Of course she wanted to see her kids grown up, but these men are strangers and this second life is not healing any kind of wound in her the way it might for Sam and Dean. I like that Dean instinctively tries to comfort her the same way he used to comfort John, and it doesn’t work, because Mary’s not John. Coming back from the dead thus far has been (mostly) about reunion and family and getting something essential back. Even if they can intellectually understand what Mary’s grieving, who could really be with her in it?

It’s not quite right to say the Winchesters’ part in this whole mess was set off by Mary’s deal with Azazel; we know the archangels were interfering much earlier. Even if she sees it that way, she had no way of knowing that the thing she’d have to give him was her younger son, but for all Sam pushes back against the choices made for him by John and Dean, he never gets quite free of Mary’s choice, either. There’s something kind of ugly and poetic that now it’s Mary who’s been given as a gift to Dean in recompense, by someone whose intentions were good, but who maybe didn't stop to wonder how the gift might feel about it.
posted by jameaterblues at 12:06 AM on February 21, 2022

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