Supernatural: Mamma Mia
October 24, 2016 10:18 AM - Season 12, Episode 2 - Subscribe

Dean adjusts to life in the bunker with his mom, while Castiel finally gets a lead on Sam's whereabouts. Meanwhile, Lady Antonia uses new forms of torture on Sam.
posted by cfoxhi (7 comments total)
 
Perhaps too much torture in these first episodes of Season 12. Having the Winchester reunions altered by captivity seemed to help Sam and Dean, by giving us something different, but made Sam's reunion with his mother less impactful somehow. Though of course it's a strange situation no matter what, since Mary doesn't know Sam and Dean as adults. They must seem like strangers who have taken the place of her babies. I'm enjoying Mary on the show.

It's not believable that Crowley could force Rowena to do much of anything, but I do love their family dynamics. Rick Springfield makes a pretty good Satan, but he has a lot to live up to following Mark Pellegrino and Misha Colllins. Incredible special effects with Luficer's face. That would be an awesome Halloween mask.
posted by cfoxhi at 10:28 AM on October 24, 2016 [3 favorites]


I guess they've run out of emotional turmoil to put the boys through so Mary is basically a hail... y'know. But I'm enjoying it! It's certainly an interesting development. They haven't had to deal with a parent figure for quite some time. And it's been so sweet of Dean trying his damnest to keep his mom alive only to have her come to their rescue twice already.
posted by numaner at 4:19 PM on October 24, 2016 [3 favorites]


Mary is certainly a different kind of character for the show, and while I'm really liking her and her weird interactions with the boys, it's kind of surprising this doesn't feel bigger. I mean, this is the lady we've been seeing in flashbacks since season one, frying on the ceiling! In terms of the show's mythology, Mary Winchester coming back from the dead should be a big, big deal! But maybe the show's been on so long, some of those old plot threads just don't feel so urgent anymore. (When Mary said it was her fault the Yellow Eyed Demon came into their lives, I had no idea how she was responsible for any of that. It's just been too long.)

But it is an interesting dynamic so far. Dean and Sam treat her with this kind of trembling awe, but there is also a distance there. They're so used to her not being there, and her being back just feels weird. Mary is raw and kind of confused, like she's recovering from a long coma or something, but you can see she's a damn tough lady. I don't know how this will play out, long-term. I can see the writers feeling like there's not much to do with her and killing her off again, but I hope they don't go that route. I kind of like the idea of her being the new Bobby, hanging out at the home base and giving the boys info on cases around the country, occasionally going out on her own hunts. Either that or maybe she'll strike out on her own, deciding she needs to hunt but she can't do it with the boys fretting over her.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 5:43 PM on October 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Mary Winchester coming back from the dead should be a big, big deal! But maybe the show's been on so long, some of those old plot threads just don't feel so urgent anymore. (When Mary said it was her fault the Yellow Eyed Demon came into their lives, I had no idea how she was responsible for any of that. It's just been too long.)

So far I've also been really enjoying Mary's appearance. It's a nice, hopefully, positive dynamic to the show. Here's hoping she isn't killed off by the end of the episode.

As for the Yellow Eyed Demon, some part of me wants to say we learned something about the demon and Mary's family in one of the time traveling trips, maybe the one where we learn she's from a family of hunters?

Otherwise, it might be it's an omission designed to lead to a storyline/plot twist going into this season.

One thing is for sure, Dean seems to be having problems reconciling the idealized mother of his childhood with the woman who was returned to him by God/Darkness. It was kind of sad to see him staring at the photos of her at the end, obviously reflecting on those memories he possessed (her meat loaf!) with recent events in mind.

ALSO: Was that British Men of Letters super assassin killer person packing up a Colt? If so, it's another callback to the Yellow Eyed Demon storyline.
posted by Atreides at 2:09 PM on October 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gave in to curiosity and checked the Supernatural wiki. Apparently Mary made a deal with the Yellow-Eyed Demon to save John's life. (Warning: For a Supernatural fan that wiki is a huge potential time-sink. This show's been on so long, its mythology is dense.)
posted by Ursula Hitler at 4:40 PM on October 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


When Mary said it was her fault the Yellow Eyed Demon came into their lives, I had no idea how she was responsible for any of that. It's just been too long.

Apparently Mary made a deal with the Yellow-Eyed Demon to save John's life.

Yep, I remember that episode. Some harsh truths there, whew.
posted by numaner at 4:45 PM on October 27, 2016


I'm having a fan squeal moment over this photo. Wow! Can you recognize them all?
posted by numaner at 3:00 PM on October 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


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