Supernatural: Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets
February 8, 2017 1:46 AM - Season 12, Episode 10 - Subscribe

Castiel investigates the murders of several old angel comrades, which may or may not have something to do with the fact that, even for an unreconstructed angel, their former garrison commander is a hugely creepy jerk.

Spoiler alert: That is exactly why a human lady cosplaying Nick Fury is revenge-stabbing all the angels who had a hand in unwittingly murdering her innocent daughter.
posted by Snarl Furillo (10 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
I legit just want to know if any of you guys know why Benjamin and his* vessel were so into arcade games.

*I also in general want to know why the angels have genders at all, but I don't want to know the show's answer to that question. I don't want to know that at all.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 1:52 AM on February 8, 2017


Apparently I forgot that all the angels lost their wings. When did that happen? Was it when Metatron cast that spell from the Angel Tablet and kicked all angels out of Heaven? (Oh wait, did Metatron cast that or was it Crowley?)
posted by numaner at 8:43 AM on February 9, 2017


I got lost in the wiki but did find the info. They fell from Heaven because Metatron used the angel tablet to create a spell that banished all angels (with Castiel's grace as one of the components), and after that they all lost their wings.
posted by numaner at 9:22 AM on February 9, 2017


I'd forgotten all the angels had lost their wings after the expulsion from heaven. It helps keep with why they're more keen to stay in Heaven than venture out.

My guess on Benjamin and his vessel was that it was a nod to Benjamin doing something for his vessel, but it wasn't very well laid out.

Overall, I generally enjoyed the episode, even if it played up angels are jerks to 11. I really liked how they stood in formation outside the house in the flashback rather than just bunched up. It reflected the angels' desire for order, which is exactly why they were there (or so they believed).

I'm scared they're setting up a farewell to Castiel with the current storyline. NO TAKEY MISHA.

I have to say, I really enjoy this show so much more that they have buried the Sam vs Dean angst that colored a significant portion of the show's seasons prior to the last two. The show was built on the Winchesters being a family and having their pseudo family. It's reconnected to that premise and it just underlines every episode with a touch of goodness.
posted by Atreides at 7:37 AM on February 10, 2017


I like this episode more than most of the recent ones, and I'm in favor of more Alicia Witt on my TV in general. She needs to come back and be the WInchesters' new full-time partner. She obviously has the skills for the job.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 7:52 AM on February 10, 2017


Is the title of this episode referring to an existing title of an existing work? Or is it completely original and just very well-crafted?
posted by rhiannonstone at 10:48 AM on February 11, 2017


I have to say, I really enjoy this show so much more that they have buried the Sam vs Dean angst that colored a significant portion of the show's seasons prior to the last two. The show was built on the Winchesters being a family and having their pseudo family. It's reconnected to that premise and it just underlines every episode with a touch of goodness.

YES. I feel like having more emphasis on supporting characters helps with this. I feel like they were using the brother drama/lying/keeping secrets to fill in the gaps in the monster-of-the-week episodes. Which makes sense up to a point: it's an old show-there's only so much we can learn about Sam and Dean's backstory that hasn't already been covered. Supernatural seemed to love to burn through its supporting cast and maybe (hopefully) they're finally slowing it down....

but I started to worry about Cas too after this episode. Usually the show doesn't pay so much attention to him other than for purely plot purposes. I hope not! Show would feel empty without him. Lily was great and I wouldn't mind her returning (and it seems like she might?), but leave Cas alone!!
posted by eeek at 5:23 PM on February 11, 2017 [2 favorites]


So... is coverage of this show kaput?
posted by Ursula Hitler at 12:48 AM on March 7, 2017


Trivia

All the angels in Castiel's flashback have the same vessels in it as they do in this episode, except Castiel who left his vessel and over 100 years later found another vessel.

In Judaism, the Ishim (Hebrew: "men", "personages", "personalities", "individuals") or Eshim (Hebrew: "fires", "flames", "sparks") are a class of angels said to be the closest to the affairs of mortals. They are composed of fire and snow, and are described as the "beautiful souls of just men" who reside in the 5th Heaven.

Dean calls Lilly "One Eyed Willie". This is a reference to Goonies, in which One Eyed Willie is the pirate who hid the treasure the Goonies are looking for.

Mirabel says in this episode that it is hard to get around without wings. Then when Ishim is explaining to Mirabel some angels in heaven think of Castiel as a hero, the diner's register bell rings. This is a reference to It's a Wonderful Life, in which Jimmy Stewart's character tells his little daughter that every time a bell rings, an angel has gotten wings. Castiel was once called Clarence by Meg the demon after Castiel fell and lost his wings.

This episode resembles the Kill Bill movies. Elle Driver and Lily Sunder both wear an eye patch, Beatrix Kiddo and Lily Sunder both go on a revenge spree after a hiatus, the revenge spurt is brought on by wanting to avenge their daughter, both women have a new beau in their lives when they are attacked, and both women have a kill list of five people.

The video game that Benjamin the angel was playing at the beginning of the episode was Rampage.

Alicia Witt played the character Alia in Dune who was considered an abomination in the movie by being born too soon because of the "water of life", or the bile from a newborn drowned worm, which created her. Here Ishim claims Lilly Sunders' child was a nephilim, which is considered an abomination by the angels.

In the opening scene, Lily walked away from Benjamin in the arcade and left two angel blades lying on the floor, one of which was hers.
posted by orange swan at 10:58 AM on January 18


How are the other angels who showed up at Lily's house still in their vessels from over a century ago? Surely they haven't spent all this time on earth.
posted by orange swan at 4:10 PM on January 18


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