Supernatural: First Blood
January 27, 2017 11:48 AM - Season 12, Episode 9 - Subscribe

After being arrested for the attempted assassination of the POTUS Sam and Dean must find a way out of a government detention facility in the middle of nowhere. Determined to find her sons, Mary and Castiel seek help from an unlikely source.

A slow episode, but with some very heavy consequences.

Thoughts:
- How has the US government never learned anything about the supernatural with all the crazy stuff that happens? There's literally armageddon that happens every year. You'd think they might even follow up on all these weird deaths that are solved by mysterious FBI agents that aren't in their system.
- Castieeeel what the fuuuuck! She JUST said cosmic consequences! Like the DARKNESS wasn't bad enough??
- I don't trust those limey bastards one bit! The boys tried so hard to let those soldiers live! Mary whyyyy?
- Occasionally episodes like this one reminds of how fucking badass the Winchesters are when they have to be. Like you have to remember that they fight demons and monsters on the regular. So a few human soldiers are nothing to them.
posted by numaner (11 comments total)
 
I was all "Bye, Mary" when Billie showed up, I mean, I literally said it out loud, but then when Cas did what he did, the kid and I both screamed "WHAAAAAT?" and had to pause to digest what just happened. Did not see that coming one bit, so well played, show. During that pause, we debated the consequences. Kid is of the opinion that another Reaper will hold up Billie's end of the deal, but I think that the blood seal was made specifically with her. I guess we'll see.

Kid and I both agreed that there is something creepy about the square-headed Brit. Beardy Brit is suave, but the other one just oozes something really off-putting. He makes me physically uncomfortable. I kinda expected Crowley to be in that final scene, but I think Mary is trying, foolishly, to protect her sons.

Also, I don't know if there was a weird cable glitch for us, but we had a definite lag that was really disorienting, especially during the big fight scene.
posted by Ruki at 12:38 AM on January 29, 2017 [1 favorite]


When Billie said she'd come for "a Winchester" it was pretty clear Mary would volunteer, but since Sam and Dean hadn't expected her to be there, we never did find out what they had intended to happen. I have a hard time seeing either one being okay with the other doing it, or not trying to game out a way to make sure it was him.
posted by jameaterblues at 8:54 AM on January 29, 2017


The OP sums up my feelings about Cas taking out Billie pretty well:

Castieeeel what the fuuuuck! She JUST said cosmic consequences! Like the DARKNESS wasn't bad enough??

We literally *just* did this plot. I think the show shouldn't go to that well again at all, but even if they were going to, it's too soon.

The other thing that concerns me is that the British Men of Letters are being given too many advantages. It sort of reminds me of the Leviathans: 'here's an enemy so powerful they scare angels and demons.' The problem there was that with such an overwhelmingly powerful organization, the resolution was pretty bad. I think these guys are going to go the same way: the writers are painting themselves into a corner by making them so competent.

Plus, it does raise the question of 'if they have all this shit, how did they not know God himself was working with the Winchesters just last season. Shouldn't they really have gotten involved somewhere in S4-S5?' It's distracting. I wish they had been time shifted or locked away or otherwise elsewhere, ('across the Pond' doesn't count), to explain why they're so good, but have been out of play so long.
posted by mordax at 9:28 AM on January 29, 2017


I figured Dean was gonna call dibs on the permadeath, but nope!
Couldn't help but laugh at how well the English MoL pitch was going with the indie hunters.
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:47 PM on January 29, 2017


The whole deal with Billie thing drove me crazy for the few minutes it floated on the screen. Isolation in a black government facility was WORSE than Hell? The Hell where the Winchesters were personally tortured for what felt like years upon years? And they couldn't make it more than sixty days or so?

ARGH.

If you're going to play that card, you got to PLAY IT. Lock the Winchesters up for months before they crack and pretty much agree one of them can die. Heck, it makes more sense for them to agree to sell their souls to a crossroads demon than to summon Billie up. I could see them figuring they could find a way around it (okay, most demons probably wouldn't take on that liability - see Crowely's rant.)

Then, Angel Radio stops working whenever it'd be inconvenient for Castiel to find Winchesters.

(I actually liked this episode for the most part.)

Killing one Reaper doesn't seem like it'll have a big impact unless reapers come looking for revenge or the ilk (Castiel?!). It's different when one kills Death, himself.

The UK Men of Letters, hrm. They continue to be jerks, but I think they laid down their fall in this episode. They complain about American/Canadian hunters being unpredictable, wild and disorderly. I'm seeing a big show down at the end of the season where the UK's MoL finest get it handed to them by hunters ganging up. At worse, I have sense that Mary's alliance with them may not be everything it seems.

lus, it does raise the question of 'if they have all this shit, how did they not know God himself was working with the Winchesters just last season. Shouldn't they really have gotten involved somewhere in S4-S5?'

Yah, the only thing that makes any sense is that the UK MoL simply don't have great intelligence on the supernatural in the US. They obviously make sure the federal government has no clue about such things, so it's not as if they can infiltrate or spy on it to gain information. Obviously, they didn't read Chuck's Supernatural series or attend any high school theater productions, either. Given the lack of US MoL, the lack of cooperation by American hunters, and then you're stuck with them noting really crazy weird weather/environmental phenomena, and not much else. Almost all the big stuff the Winchesters have been involved in have been on a very narrow playing field regarding surviving witnesses. Even American Hunters have doubts on what the Winchesters have or haven't done.

So...UK MoL after following up on all the rumors and legends about the Winchesters, tied to the few things they can monitor, and I think it's plausible they waited until now to step in. Likewise, perhaps they were building up their own resources for that purpose and it just took time.
posted by Atreides at 11:22 AM on January 30, 2017 [2 favorites]


Yah, the only thing that makes any sense is that the UK MoL simply don't have great intelligence on the supernatural in the US.

... I think you may be onto something. It occurs to me that they're very possibly not half as good as they think they are. Maybe the British MoL are so slick and successful because everything important that's happening is far from their home turf. Lucifer? Leviathans? Mother of Monsters? They don't have any of that shit, they just have regular monsters of the week, which an organized group really *ought* to crush. Maybe they're out of their depth entirely, here.
posted by mordax at 9:52 PM on January 30, 2017 [1 favorite]


From their introduction at the end of last season and this season, I got the impression they developed a lot of technology to prevent and disable supernatural stuff in England, but not a whole lot of methods to study the supernatural in other countries. They have wards and traps all over the place over there, but I guess since the US MoL was destroyed they didn't have a way in with North America.
posted by numaner at 9:52 AM on January 31, 2017 [1 favorite]


Then, Angel Radio stops working whenever it'd be inconvenient for Castiel to find Winchesters.


During the episode, I asked KidRuki, who is one of those obsessive SuperWhoLock teenagers, about this, and she said Cas can't track them anymore. I just asked for details, and apparently Enochian markings on their ribs, although Kid is not sure if they both have them or just Dean. So there's actual canon for that, at least. (I'm pretty sure Kid just put our text conversation on Instagram. I'm the cool mom.)
posted by Ruki at 12:58 PM on January 31, 2017 [2 favorites]


During the episode, I asked KidRuki, who is one of those obsessive SuperWhoLock teenagers, about this, and she said Cas can't track them anymore. I just asked for details, and apparently Enochian markings on their ribs, although Kid is not sure if they both have them or just Dean. So there's actual canon for that, at least. (I'm pretty sure Kid just put our text conversation on Instagram. I'm the cool mom.)

I was hoping there was a canonical explanation for it, and that sounds right in my foggy memory. Thanks!

It occurs to me that they're very possibly not half as good as they think they are. Maybe the British MoL are so slick and successful because everything important that's happening is far from their home turf. Lucifer? Leviathans? Mother of Monsters? They don't have any of that shit, they just have regular monsters of the week, which an organized group really *ought* to crush. Maybe they're out of their depth entirely, here.

That would go with their reaction when they learned that Lucifer was involved with the presidential exorcism. Okay, put me down as hungering for one of the smug agents getting the poo scared out of them when they find themselves dealing with more then they can handle.

One can only imagine how the UK MoL would have felt about that failed spin off idea of Chicago's dark side being controlled by monster families. Heh.
posted by Atreides at 1:36 PM on January 31, 2017 [1 favorite]


I do wonder why they didn't summon Crowley, though. If he's good enough to team up with Cas to take out Lucifer, then... I hate the mid season break because it's hard enough to remember who is playing what side anyway.
posted by Ruki at 2:11 PM on January 31, 2017 [1 favorite]


I know the show isn't trying that hard to be consistent or interesting, but I wish the writers would decide if the Winchesters are actually any good at fighting or not. Their tactical skills move at the speed of plot. Six weeks earlier they couldn't get the drop on those Secret Service agents when they were fully armed and only fighting like five dudes, but this week they take out Seal Team 007 with a rifle, a hunting knife, and a pack of matches? GODDAMMIT ARE THEY ANY GOOD AT THIS OR NOT??????????

Like, you know they're not going to address the fact that solitary was worse for both of them than hell (which I could actually buy, bc its well-established that Dean's greatest fear is being alone and Sam has gone crazy in the past), because there are arcs that move the plot forward and arcs that are About Feelings and this arc was just about getting them out of Area 51 as quickly as possible. The writers of SPN are congenitally incapable of doing two things at once, and it makes me insane!! Argh!!!

And I am so sick of plots where LEO learns the truth about hunters and then IMMEDIATELY DIES. I'm still bitter about Victor Henrikson and I always goddamn will be, but I don't understand how no one sees the potential in having an entire agency of Sheriff Jodys. Or some governor who periodically sends out some state troopers and cash and guns but turns out to expect way too many favors in return. Or like three episodes from now Secret Service dude shows up at the bunker heaving figured things out and produces a file on a Big Bad. Or the UKMoL bust them out and a scrappy gang of misfits investigates to learn the truth. Or the painfully Canadian antiterrorism dude turns out to be a demon whose whole job is to prevent the U.S. Army from finding out about supernatural stuff and killing all of them, so he helps Dean and Sam escape, except then they obviously have to kill him and then they get in trouble with the Unified Monsters Local or whatever.

But nope! None of that! Instead we get "cosmic...comsequences" which istg means "we got kind of wasted over Christmas and forgot to storyboard anything."

Gosh, for a show I love so much, I sure do hate it. Sigh.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 9:55 PM on February 5, 2017 [1 favorite]


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