BoJack Horseman: Stupid Piece of Sh*t
September 13, 2017 6:00 PM - Season 4, Episode 6 - Subscribe
Surrounded by family, BoJack spirals into self-loathing. Princess Carolyn and Rutabaga Rabitowitz plan Courtney and Todd's sham wedding.
Agreed, lovecrafty - I wonder if its that more writers are willing to "go there" or that there are more editors/producers who are familiar and willing to open the gates for those writers.
Or just a general acknowledgement that shits fucked up for lots of/most people, even some of the "successful" ones.
The self destruction potryal was well done, I doubt its universal (it applied lots for me), ... or is it more widespread and just unacknowledged/covered up?
Having lived with relatives with (severe) age related cognitive decline, after a while, yeah, I just didn't want to respond to all the things anymore. You alluded to foreshadowing - the "Henrietta" that Lady Horseman? was referred to constantly was/is/ becomes salient.
The show has been and continues to be intelligent and wounds-pokery, to good effect(?).
Jebus, as a socialized-as hetero dude (who's closet lesbian trans, economically marginal, and aesthetically unpleasing - and now aging), I am very interested in opinions from women of all backgrounds as to how this show presents.
posted by porpoise at 10:03 PM on September 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
Or just a general acknowledgement that shits fucked up for lots of/most people, even some of the "successful" ones.
The self destruction potryal was well done, I doubt its universal (it applied lots for me), ... or is it more widespread and just unacknowledged/covered up?
Having lived with relatives with (severe) age related cognitive decline, after a while, yeah, I just didn't want to respond to all the things anymore. You alluded to foreshadowing - the "Henrietta" that Lady Horseman? was referred to constantly was/is/ becomes salient.
The show has been and continues to be intelligent and wounds-pokery, to good effect(?).
Jebus, as a socialized-as hetero dude (who's closet lesbian trans, economically marginal, and aesthetically unpleasing - and now aging), I am very interested in opinions from women of all backgrounds as to how this show presents.
posted by porpoise at 10:03 PM on September 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
On the one hand, I think the B-plot feels terribly shoehorned in next to the A-plot. On the other, it breaks up the horribleness and plays well off the narcissism at the heart of Bojack’s self-loathing. And really, this whole season is the least about Bojack of any of them, and that itself butts up against his own monologues. A really great piece of work.
posted by Going To Maine at 12:33 AM on September 14, 2017
posted by Going To Maine at 12:33 AM on September 14, 2017
I am very interested in opinions from women of all backgrounds as to how this show presents.
This shows better on one of the later episodes, but I think that this season is much darker on like...the existential horror of being a woman in a shitty world? One of my male friends was like "this season isn't as dark as the others", and it was just bizarre that he could even think that.
posted by corb at 7:07 AM on September 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
This shows better on one of the later episodes, but I think that this season is much darker on like...the existential horror of being a woman in a shitty world? One of my male friends was like "this season isn't as dark as the others", and it was just bizarre that he could even think that.
posted by corb at 7:07 AM on September 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
This shows better on one of the later episodes, but I think that this season is much darker on like...the existential horror of being a woman in a shitty world?
Yeah, I agree. I think taken as a whole, this season isn't as dark for BoJack personally as previous seasons, but holy smokes, did your friend even watch the lobotomy episode? This season is very much concerned with how shitty it is to be a woman in America, and with how tenuous and recent the veneer of equality is.
posted by lovecrafty at 7:18 AM on September 14, 2017 [14 favorites]
Yeah, I agree. I think taken as a whole, this season isn't as dark for BoJack personally as previous seasons, but holy smokes, did your friend even watch the lobotomy episode? This season is very much concerned with how shitty it is to be a woman in America, and with how tenuous and recent the veneer of equality is.
posted by lovecrafty at 7:18 AM on September 14, 2017 [14 favorites]
One of the reviews of the season I read posited that the essential aspects of the season are the treatment of women and the passage of time. (e.g. In this episode we have Bojack simply losing hours of his life at a bar, and in episodes one and two we had whole seasons go by. They are definitely two helpful lenses for viewing each episode.
posted by Going To Maine at 8:37 AM on September 14, 2017
posted by Going To Maine at 8:37 AM on September 14, 2017
I can't stop thinking about that dang "cookies for breakfast" scene.
posted by rhizome at 1:11 PM on September 17, 2017 [6 favorites]
posted by rhizome at 1:11 PM on September 17, 2017 [6 favorites]
Been there.
posted by Going To Maine at 8:51 PM on September 17, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by Going To Maine at 8:51 PM on September 17, 2017 [3 favorites]
Holy shoot, Jean Ralphio is Rutabaga.
posted by Going To Maine at 12:04 AM on September 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Going To Maine at 12:04 AM on September 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
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I think this season we definitely see BoJack growing a little bit. Season 1 or 2 BoJack would've told Hollyhock the voice never goes away.
I took care of my grandma when she was dying of Alzheimer's, and man... they get a lot right. A whole lot.
This season especially benefits from a rewatch. The foreshadowing is off the hook!
"Bojack things up? You mean show up and be the life of the party?" Awwww Mister Peanutbutter.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:18 PM on September 13, 2017 [5 favorites]