RuPaul's Drag Race: Snatch Game At Sea
April 19, 2019 6:46 PM - Season 11, Episode 8 - Subscribe

Morgan McMichaels and Jinkx Monsoon drop into the werk room, and the queens compete in a nautical-themed version of Snatch Game with guest judges Tony Hale and Clea DuVall.
posted by duffell (25 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
OH MY GOD SHUT THE FUCK UP MICHELLE VISAGE AND STOP PISSING IN EVERYONE'S CORNFLAKES. THE OTHER JUDGES ARE ALLOWED TO LIKE QUEENS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DECIDED DON'T BELONG HERE.

Contrariwise, I will say this as a point against the inimitable Vanjie: "fighty and aggressive personality" is the ultimate safe move in Snatch Game; you don't have to be witty as long as you come for anyone who looks at you sideways. But goddamn Michelle, people are allowed to like what they like, siddown.

aaaaanyway. I was 100% here for Jinkx reading Detox yeeeeears after the fact. "Shade" doesn't do it justice, bitch, that was the motherfucking elephant graveyard from The Lion King. And deserved. (Although Jinkx being the absolute sweetheart that she is, there's this tweet.)

I was super happy to see Silky win this week, and I have to say I was entirely in her corner throughout the workroom scenes. (P.S. I apparently should have been watching Untucked this season, holy fuck)

Brooke Lynn and Evie... wow. They were both wretched in Snatch Game, and both KILLED it in the lipsync. Watching it, my wife and I were both pretty sure that was gonna happen. Legendary.

AND GODDAMN, Brooke Lynn's runway! Easily the best runway this season, and one of the best in the whole run of the show.

Nina, Shuga and A'keria were very good as well, by the way. I was slightly bummed that neither Shuga nor A'keria got more of an acknowledgement than "you're safe." Plastique was fine, whatever. (Her mini-challenge *was* wonderful, tho.)
posted by duffell at 6:47 PM on April 19 [5 favorites]


Tom and Lorenzo said it best this week: “Silky is whatever.” Her runway looks are boring, and her Snatch Game only stood out because of how mediocre or outright trainwreck everyone else was. She played... herself. And yet Vanjie gets read for doing the same thing.

Nina should have won.

I don’t know what the fuck Silky has on the judges, but I hope we get to find out at some point. Girl is fucking delusional and I am over it.
posted by Automocar at 7:13 PM on April 19 [8 favorites]


Was going to come here as soon as it was posted (lazy, sorry) and ask, “Am I crazy or was Silky just playing herself?” Whatever, Ru liked it for the same reasons she likes Silky, reasons that I obviously don’t share. Would have been nice for Nina to get a win before she sashays. Hopefully same for Silky. Question is whether she has enough insight to see herself on TV and realize how delusional she was at the time.

Still team Yvie, at least in that 3-car pileup. Those were two good, if admittedly slow apologies. If she doesn’t take her own resolution to heart and stop giving unsolicited advice maybe that’ll change. A couple (correct) instances of pointing out some possible things to work on led to all this from what I can tell. Silky’s big personality is hiding some serious insecurity given how much of a grudge she held from Untucked. Vanjie in contrast was ready to be sisters again. Good on her.

MotherFUCK, that lip sync. I hope those two make it all the way because that finale would SLAY.
posted by supercres at 7:36 PM on April 19 [4 favorites]


HARD disagree. Silky can annoy the fuck out of me too, but she has layers to her characters--they're not just Silky playing herself at different volumes. In and out of the drag world, there are comedy personalities that rub people the wrong way for one reason or another, and people apply the "he/she just play themselves" criticism regardless of the comedy style. Personally I just think she's entertaining as hell.

I also love her looks, and it's so wonderful to see one of the big queens expressing such joy on the stage in her own body. Self-consciousness doesn't come through, if it's there.
posted by duffell at 7:38 PM on April 19 [1 favorite]


Background: Watching Untucked with my wife, who describes herself as "alternablack" but definitely not a "blippie" (black hippie) although she has several in her orbit.

OK.

So.

I like Evie. Like, she is infuriating as fuck and that "mistaking self-righteousness for righteousness" shtick is SO GODDAMNED TIRED, but I like her drag, and I kinda do like her even though she's messy and infuriating. At least two of my siblings pull that shit all the time, and I love those fucking assholes.

Anyway. The "call from family" bit is my fave on Untucked. And Evie's mom came up on the screen. And my wife and I were both like SHE'S A BLIPPIE! EVERYTHING MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW! AAAAAH, HER MOM'S A BLIPPIE, I GET IT NOW.
posted by duffell at 7:45 PM on April 19 [6 favorites]


Different strokes.

Oh fuck I just realized that the reading challenge is approaching. Ten bucks behind my guess for the contestant who’s most likely to loudly take it poorly.
posted by supercres at 7:50 PM on April 19 [3 favorites]


My prediction is that Evie will mistake "reading" for just being nasty, and any one (or more) of the other queens will react reasonably ("badly") and vocalize it later, and Evie will react ten times worse at being called out.
posted by duffell at 7:53 PM on April 19 [1 favorite]


As soon as I saw who was in the bottom three I knew it would be a double save but luckily the two queens doing the LSFYL also totally earned their double save.

Snatch game is always much more meh in reality than it is in theory. I always look forward to it but when I watch it I always feel disappointed.

I feel like Nina is going to finish fifth or whatever place that doesn't make it to the finals. I like her, though.
posted by urbanlenny at 7:57 PM on April 19


HARD disagree. Silky can annoy the fuck out of me too, but she has layers to her characters--they're not just Silky playing herself at different volumes.

Amen. I've read a lot of the "Silky was playing herself" comments, and all it tells me is that most Drag Race fans can't see nuance in "hood characters." Silky as TS was more modern in her style (that was NOT a Ganache wig); more natural in her beat; and was more sexually charged in her delivery. Her TS Voice was actually lower than Silky's. But hey, I've been confused with the other black lady at work for most of my life so I get that it can be hard to tell us apart.

As for Yvie, I don't see why everyone is acting like she was so gracious. We saw what a good apology looks like when Vanjie gave one. She pulled Yvie aside; she spoke to Yvie and not the cameras.

Yvie came off like Eureka apologizing to Sasha Velour because she didn't want to look bad. Sorry but she is just working my last nerve--rudeness isn't a critique, whatever your reasons.
posted by CatastropheWaitress at 8:03 PM on April 19 [2 favorites]


Yvie is young, in constant pain, and will be in a wheelchair within 10 years. Is she passionate? Absolutely. Is she rude? Sure, sometimes. Is she right? Usually. Silky is so obviously playing a character on the show that’s it hard to know what to think of her. All I know she is extremely good at playing the aggrevied party no matter what and never giving it up.

But, neither of them are going to win, so it doesn’t matter that much.
posted by Automocar at 8:12 PM on April 19 [4 favorites]


So.

I fucken hate Silky. She's obnoxious and mean spirited and an embodiment of the worst bits of the pageant tendancy to want to beat the other girls rather than to win on your own merit. Like Shuga got this wonderful block of praise for her performace and her dress and she just lit up - like, yes, I did well, I can be proud of me. Silky is all about being better than other people. I don't know if its just the editing, but the sour face she had while the other girls were being praised was really telling. She can't take joy in others success and it's a really ugly character beat.

Like she reminds me a lot of Phi Phi getting stuck into Sharon Needles, and OG Roxy Andrews in some ways. As if she can't get her head around the fact that there are more ways to do drag than just pageant and it must mean that there's something wrong or shady about Yvie or Nina or whatever. Everything needs to be on her terms and she can't get past that framework.
posted by Jilder at 11:00 PM on April 19 [5 favorites]


But, neither of them are going to win, so it doesn’t matter that much.

I think Yvie could win. She's definitely top 4 and she's got a great storyline. Also we see that Brooklyn can be easily undone by comedy if she has to work on her own. Plastique looks like a dark horse to me.

The bigger problem (it just dawned on me last night) is that ALL these queens are lackluster--like season 7 levels of unimpressive. Season 10 Kameron Michaels could have taken this season in a walk. Yvie pales in comparison to Sharon Needles. Silky seems to be doing her best Ginger Minj but isn't quite up to the mark. What's grating is that they both seem to think they're the greatest thing to ever happen to drag. I'm not in love with Silky but I feel compelled to stand up for Silky because I feel like the reaction to her is outsized and a little classist. I also think that people aren't sympathetic enough to a person who grew up black, gay, and big in Mississippi.

The only person who seems like she would fare well on other, better seasons is A'keria: she got lewks; design skills; sewing skills and can kill a lip sync. I just wish she was more like Asia, who had the looks and the talent but was incredibly kind.
posted by CatastropheWaitress at 5:31 AM on April 20 [2 favorites]


Yvie came off like Eureka apologizing to Sasha Velour because she didn't want to look bad.

Agreed. "You proved me wrong by actually displaying talent" is not an apology, it's a passed test. Silky was right to be skeptical and kind not to make a huge deal of it in the moment.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:25 AM on April 20 [4 favorites]


My wife said something like this: "Yvie is young enough to not realize that you can give valid criticism and still be an asshole about it."

Vanje was interesting -- when she first got Yvie's critique, she said either in an aside or in the "talking heads" clip that followed "I'm mad because she's right."

On the other hand, being told you have no talent is pretty fucking brutal, so Silky has all the right to be pissed off. But that said, she's seriously holding a grudge there, which seems to be built upon a dislike of Yvie's weird drag aesthetic (and probably more so because the judges like what Yvie does, mostly).

I'm still Team Yvie, because I like weird more than fashion and pagent, and she generally seems like she has fun. Silky grates on me, but she's dialed back the "I'm here to initiate my spin-off, so I'M GONNA BE EXTRA LOUD ALL THE TIME!" (or the editors have shifted their telling of her story away from that), and I love to see her having fun. Brooklyn is another front-runner in this season, particularly from the judges' critiques and feedback.

The only person who seems like she would fare well on other, better seasons is A'keria: she got lewks; design skills; sewing skills and can kill a lip sync. I just wish she was more like Asia, who had the looks and the talent but was incredibly kind.

Agree, 100% -- also, A'keria is too quiet most of the time, especially when she's in the same room with Silky, Yvie and Vanjie. I love Ms. Vanjie, but I don't see her even in the final four, let alone winning it all. But I hope she gets Miss Congeniality, er, Fan Favorite.

Last note: here's TS Madison reacting to Silky Nutmeg Ganache's Snatch Game -- Silky did a great job, and TS is thrilled.
posted by filthy light thief at 12:35 PM on April 20 [2 favorites]


Wow, I wasn’t familiar with TS Madison - the resemblance is strong!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:37 PM on April 20


I also think that people aren't sympathetic enough to a person who grew up black, gay, and big in Mississippi.

I appreciate that this is a thing, but every single one of those queens has a burden of hardship I'm also coming at it from an international perspective, being in Australia, so those regional specific things tend to be a bit lost on me.

I will tell you this though - I lived with a woman who had the same disorder as Yvie for years, during the same window of her life. Ability disappears daily, pain is constant, and she had exactly zero time to waste being cordial. Yvie's bluntness is not just one of youth but one of a keen awareness that death is coming for her, far more painfully and far sooner than it is for anyone else. She literally doesn't have time to fuck around with people. I honestly think her apology to Silky is "inauthentic" as part of that - she may not be feeling in her heart that she's actually sorry, but she acknowledges it was a shit thing to say and that she is not going to have time to wait to feel sorry. Apologizing because it's ethical, not because she has some bad feelings about it, doesn't make it less of an apology.
posted by Jilder at 11:36 PM on April 20 [8 favorites]




Apologizing because it's ethical, not because she has some bad feelings about it, doesn't make it less of an apology.

Yes it very much does. Otherwise we as a culture would have accepted Mario Batali's weak apology recipe or Louis CK's self-indulgent piffle. Nothing in her apology indicated that she would stop offering her unwanted criticism; she just admitted she was wrong in this instance. Also, I don't know what's in Yvie's heart, but I know that she could have pulled Silky aside and, sincerely or not, made her apology to Silky about Silky. It wasn't. She was making sure she looked good to the rest of the room.

Yvie's bluntness is not just one of youth but one of a keen awareness that death is coming for her, far more painfully and far sooner than it is for anyone else.

All I can say is that Yvie chose to come on television as a contestant. RuPaul did not hire her as a consultant and she's no one's manager. Since shutting up is a free and available choice for her, every time she opens her mouth to criticize another queen she opens herself up to the question: "who are you to judge?" Knowing more about her illness can help me understand her passion but it does not improve her qualifications. She's not Alyssa. She's not Alaska. And she is definitely no Sharon Needles. I honestly don't think she'd be the most interesting or polished contestant on Dragula. She has medium lewks and medium talents but acts like she should be presenting a master class on drag. I'd rather her stay quiet and win. Prove me wrong, and I'll admit I'm wrong. (Which, as I stated above, isn't the same as an apology.)
posted by CatastropheWaitress at 8:24 PM on April 21


To be fair, I may be hard on Yvie, now, because she was extremely rude to Whoopi Goldberg who has more talent in her Sister Act box set than Yvie's displayed on the show. I was already wearying of Yvie and that Snatch Game made me go from annoyance to distaste.
posted by CatastropheWaitress at 8:28 PM on April 21


I dispute that an apology from a place of wanting to be ethically sound is not valid in the same way a non-apology to get out of hot water is not valid. She gains or loses nothing by apologizing or not apologizing. She did it because it was the right thing to do, not because she was worried about losing bookings or gigs or whatever. That's the difference.

And I get that she's a contestant. If people are going to go "boo hoo, poor Silky, what a hard time she's had being gay, fat and black in the South" then damn, the weight of "I am in constant pain and the perpetual threat of my joints dislocating from minor activities" gets to be taken into account too.

The big thing too that Vanjie makes clear is that Yvie's advice is right most of the time - and she's not even doing "master class in drag". Often it's just reminding say, Vanjie, that Michelle has told her to switch up her silhouette. Maybe she should listen to that. 90% of her criticism is just her going "dude, just listen to the damn judges already".
posted by Jilder at 6:13 AM on April 22


If people are going to go "boo hoo, poor Silky, what a hard time she's had being gay, fat and black in the South" then damn, the weight of "I am in constant pain and the perpetual threat of my joints dislocating from minor activities" gets to be taken into account too.

Okay, I wasn't going to dwell on this point because you said you were from Australia and don't know the regional nuances but HOO BOY it is very hard to be black in Mississippi; and very hard to be gay there, too. Sometimes it's lethal. (Or this kind of lethal, specifically related to black gay men. Things are so bad there.)

To your point, Yvie's pain has been taken into account, her pain literally got to be the central focus of the Draglympics episode and will probably continue a major story arc until she exits or wins. Other queens have gotten focus on their pain too: Nina West with growing up gay and conservative; Mercedes with being gay and Muslim; Plastique with being gay and from an Asian immigrant family. I don't think hoping that Silky's pain gets considered too, is out of the ordinary. I've been watching since the very first season and honestly I've only seen this topic tackled three times: lightly with Stacy Lane Matthews; more seriously with Latrice Royale; and lightly again with ChiChi Devayne. Given that there are at least two black southern queens a season, I think this subject is very worth discussion.

In the end I don't think that we're going to see eye-to-eye; nor do I think we need to. I just think the hate for her is out of proportion to what she's done. She reminds me of Ginger Minj and people weren't this incensed by her. People are going to Silky's IG just to post hateful stuff. I saw a comment under Lizzo's "Juice" video featuring a bunch of Drag Race Queens that literally said "I see Silky, I downvote." It's extreme in a way that makes me uncomfortable. Now that my point has been thoroughly made, I shall resume my stanning of A'keria--already in progress.
posted by CatastropheWaitress at 6:26 PM on April 22


Wow, Silky's makeup in that music video is ATROCIOUS. Everyone's is a little Too Much for that quality of video and lighting but yikes... that said, A'keria's looks pretty great, somehow. And actually there probably is no better drag queen for that song than Silky.
posted by urbanlenny at 7:02 PM on April 23


Welp, that was a more-terrible-than-usual Snatch Game. Nina should have won, between her runway and her performance and being one of like, two queens who had the skills for it.

I keep finding Silky charming and funny, completely despite myself. She's pretty clearly being edited to be petty (I mean, she is a pageant queen, she knows not to make a face when someone other than her is getting praised), but she's also just...nasty? And has not got the memo that pageant drag is not the only drag. The comments about dollar drag are uncalled-for. I hope she sorts her shit out, because she's a talented, funny queen, and I also hope she wears a different goddamn style of dress. How she has not been read for this so far is a mystery.

I don't see the reading challenge going well for her. I mean, I think she'll read everyone to filth brilliantly, but she doesn't seem to be able to take it, which is not a great look. Ru's pretty enamored of her, but she's getting a pretty nasty edit; I'm curious to see what will win out in the end.

Anyway, the final lip sync gave me life, both as a person and as an Yvie fan. It was glorious and full of joy and I'm pretty pleased to see it go down in Drag Race history for just how fucking amazing it was.
posted by kalimac at 3:40 PM on April 24 [2 favorites]


I think Nina should have won Snatch Game, but I can't argue with the bottom choices at all. I think Brooke and Yvie definitely earned the right to stay.

I am legitimately concerned that Vanjie only packed bathing suits and glitter aside from her Monster Ball looks. She is still my fav Queen, but she has been floating in the middle of the pack too much this season.
posted by Julnyes at 1:45 PM on April 25 [1 favorite]


I am legitimately concerned that Vanjie only packed bathing suits and glitter aside from her Monster Ball looks.

I think that's why A'keria was saying "You can only wear what you brought." She's obviously close to Vanjie since they're both Dreamgirls.
posted by CatastropheWaitress at 6:16 AM on April 26 [1 favorite]


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