Grimm: Tribunal
January 23, 2015 9:22 PM - Season 4, Episode 10 - Subscribe
Nick gathers Wu and the team to track down Monroe, who was abducted by the Wesenrein; Juliette learns more about being a Hexenbiest.
Favorite line of the episode: "that's my chiropractor!"
Loved the hero walk down the hallway
That cracked me up. You know shit is getting real when people start marching down hallways.
I was relieved when Wu asked Bud to "do it again." He's on board now.
I hope they don't let Juliette's hiding-the-truth-from-Nick plotline go on for very long though.
Yeah, this shouldn't even be an issue. Okay she's Wesen now; so what? With everything they've been through, it really shouldn't change anything between them. The only question is whether she wants to try to reverse it or embrace being a Hexenbiest. The later would certainly be more interesting.
posted by homunculus at 9:07 AM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
Loved the hero walk down the hallway
That cracked me up. You know shit is getting real when people start marching down hallways.
I was relieved when Wu asked Bud to "do it again." He's on board now.
I hope they don't let Juliette's hiding-the-truth-from-Nick plotline go on for very long though.
Yeah, this shouldn't even be an issue. Okay she's Wesen now; so what? With everything they've been through, it really shouldn't change anything between them. The only question is whether she wants to try to reverse it or embrace being a Hexenbiest. The later would certainly be more interesting.
posted by homunculus at 9:07 AM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
"Did anyone get away? Because Riken sure didn't."
And I fall in love with Rosalie all over again.
posted by Mogur at 10:29 AM on January 24, 2015 [4 favorites]
And I fall in love with Rosalie all over again.
posted by Mogur at 10:29 AM on January 24, 2015 [4 favorites]
Now that Wu knows everything, they should do an episode in which he confronts Sam Tomas about being an Aswang.
posted by homunculus at 10:34 AM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by homunculus at 10:34 AM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
"Did anyone get away? Because Riken sure didn't."
Cause of death: Throat eaten out by Monroe and Rosalee
The couple that slays together, stays together.
posted by homunculus at 10:36 AM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
Cause of death: Throat eaten out by Monroe and Rosalee
The couple that slays together, stays together.
posted by homunculus at 10:36 AM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
That. Was. Awesome!!!!! Everyone was so badass. Stoked on the Juliette storyline. That's all I can really say.
posted by Crystalinne at 12:14 PM on January 24, 2015
posted by Crystalinne at 12:14 PM on January 24, 2015
Good on Bud for finding the courage to stand up to the Wesenrein at the tribunal. Great for the writers to add some complexity to a character that was edging close to one-note.
I thought the parts of this episode (and the last) that dealt with everyone trying to find where the Wesenrein had taken Monroe were really well done - great writing and acting and directing and shooting and editing, tense and exciting while still being fairly realistic (both in plot and character behavior), not relying on someone having impossible knowledge or a sudden inexplicable insight. I can think of a whole lot of "thriller" TV shows and movies that would've been a hell of a lot better if they'd been more like these episodes.
The Tribunal stuff, though . . . . . well, it felt a little clumsy, a little too cartoonish. Plus, apparently the trial took, like, what, six or seven hours, judging from that time-lapse shot of the day progressing. Which seems like an excessively long time for a kangaroo trial where all the evidence you'd really need are a couple of photos and a copy of the wedding invite. What the heck were they doing the whole time? Running a DNA analysis on Rosalee to prove she's a Fuchsbau?
Although maybe I'm just feeling uncharitable because the other parts were so good.
I don't think Juliette will want to stay a Hexenbeast, but Lord knows what kind of nastiness she'll have to endure to remove her powers.
posted by soundguy99 at 4:34 PM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
I thought the parts of this episode (and the last) that dealt with everyone trying to find where the Wesenrein had taken Monroe were really well done - great writing and acting and directing and shooting and editing, tense and exciting while still being fairly realistic (both in plot and character behavior), not relying on someone having impossible knowledge or a sudden inexplicable insight. I can think of a whole lot of "thriller" TV shows and movies that would've been a hell of a lot better if they'd been more like these episodes.
The Tribunal stuff, though . . . . . well, it felt a little clumsy, a little too cartoonish. Plus, apparently the trial took, like, what, six or seven hours, judging from that time-lapse shot of the day progressing. Which seems like an excessively long time for a kangaroo trial where all the evidence you'd really need are a couple of photos and a copy of the wedding invite. What the heck were they doing the whole time? Running a DNA analysis on Rosalee to prove she's a Fuchsbau?
Although maybe I'm just feeling uncharitable because the other parts were so good.
I don't think Juliette will want to stay a Hexenbeast, but Lord knows what kind of nastiness she'll have to endure to remove her powers.
posted by soundguy99 at 4:34 PM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
I can't remember, has Hank ever seen Captain Reynard woge before?
Nope, pretty sure he hasn't. That'll be one for him to think on.
Love how they've handled bringing Wu on board. That scene with him and Bud was great.
I hope they don't let Juliette's hiding-the-truth-from-Nick plotline go on for very long though.
Yeah, me too. Can't imagine she'll be able to keep hiding it for too much longer, though. A safe bet is that whatever the "cure" is will involve Adalind, who should be flying back in to Portland oh, any minute now?
posted by mstokes650 at 10:32 PM on January 24, 2015
Nope, pretty sure he hasn't. That'll be one for him to think on.
Love how they've handled bringing Wu on board. That scene with him and Bud was great.
I hope they don't let Juliette's hiding-the-truth-from-Nick plotline go on for very long though.
Yeah, me too. Can't imagine she'll be able to keep hiding it for too much longer, though. A safe bet is that whatever the "cure" is will involve Adalind, who should be flying back in to Portland oh, any minute now?
posted by mstokes650 at 10:32 PM on January 24, 2015
Plus, apparently the trial took, like, what, six or seven hours, judging from that time-lapse shot of the day progressing. Which seems like an excessively long time for a kangaroo trial where all the evidence you'd really need are a couple of photos and a copy of the wedding invite. What the heck were they doing the whole time? Running a DNA analysis on Rosalee to prove she's a Fuchsbau?
Well, you know crazy cults love a good long ritual. Someone has to prep the giant stake after the last execution, you have to polish your ceremonial masks, and then there's the gathering of the blood for flinging, and surely certain parts have to be exactly x minutes before/after sunset... Plus Bud's kidnapping got delayed by his visit to the police station. Of *course* you must have witnesses when pretending to be the good guys. Not to mention the 30 second chase through the woods, and probably there was a time out to carry the dead guy off somewhere, you know, it all adds up.
posted by ktkt at 11:00 PM on January 24, 2015 [2 favorites]
Well, you know crazy cults love a good long ritual. Someone has to prep the giant stake after the last execution, you have to polish your ceremonial masks, and then there's the gathering of the blood for flinging, and surely certain parts have to be exactly x minutes before/after sunset... Plus Bud's kidnapping got delayed by his visit to the police station. Of *course* you must have witnesses when pretending to be the good guys. Not to mention the 30 second chase through the woods, and probably there was a time out to carry the dead guy off somewhere, you know, it all adds up.
posted by ktkt at 11:00 PM on January 24, 2015 [2 favorites]
Good to see a bit down and dirty throat ripping, it seems like all the vessen beasties actually do is crink their neck and make the funny face. It'd be fun to see more of their natural habitat, like say, Bud burrowing under his house to take a nap.
posted by sammyo at 9:23 PM on January 25, 2015
posted by sammyo at 9:23 PM on January 25, 2015
Loved the hero walk down the hallway
Someone with more video editing skill and fewer toddlers than myself needs to put drop the Law & Order tune on top of that bit.
Bud's moment of bravery was great. I didn't even mind Monroe's bit of schmaltz.
Good funny moment on the way to the airport with the you won't even know we're there. I enjoy a lot of things about this show but the character relationships are for sure in the top.
posted by phearlez at 11:01 AM on January 26, 2015 [2 favorites]
Someone with more video editing skill and fewer toddlers than myself needs to put drop the Law & Order tune on top of that bit.
Bud's moment of bravery was great. I didn't even mind Monroe's bit of schmaltz.
Good funny moment on the way to the airport with the you won't even know we're there. I enjoy a lot of things about this show but the character relationships are for sure in the top.
posted by phearlez at 11:01 AM on January 26, 2015 [2 favorites]
Aw, the end was adorable. The big damn heroes. The speeches. The hallway walk. "Do it again." Wu's embracing of the whole thing. The police escort. Juliette finally telling someone who can help her deal once the drama is over.
Go Grimm! Though I do kind of wonder why befriending a Grimm is offensive. I think I'd WANT the guy who comes from a species (or whatever) that normally wants to kill me to be friendly and not inclined to get rid of me just for existing.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:28 PM on January 26, 2015
Go Grimm! Though I do kind of wonder why befriending a Grimm is offensive. I think I'd WANT the guy who comes from a species (or whatever) that normally wants to kill me to be friendly and not inclined to get rid of me just for existing.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:28 PM on January 26, 2015
Well, I mean, the Wesenrein are essentially neo-Nazi racists, so if they're unwilling to accept that two Wesen of different "species" can make a couple, they're sure as hell going to view a Wesen assisting or befriending a Grimm as being an even worse kind of "race traitor."
It does raise an interesting question, though - it seems to me that the early shows pretty strongly suggested that Grimms are much rarer currently than they have been in the past (to the point where most Wesen seem to view Grimms as more "mythical bogeyman" than actual historical threat), and that Nick is pretty much the first Grimm in history to NOT take a "kill 'em all" approach. So if the Wesenrein are "officially" accusing Monroe of consorting with a Grimm, does that mean that there have been other Grimm/Wesen alliances in the past, enough that the Wesenrein would have a rule about it? Or did they just make that up on the spot for added ammunition against Monroe?
posted by soundguy99 at 6:43 AM on January 27, 2015
It does raise an interesting question, though - it seems to me that the early shows pretty strongly suggested that Grimms are much rarer currently than they have been in the past (to the point where most Wesen seem to view Grimms as more "mythical bogeyman" than actual historical threat), and that Nick is pretty much the first Grimm in history to NOT take a "kill 'em all" approach. So if the Wesenrein are "officially" accusing Monroe of consorting with a Grimm, does that mean that there have been other Grimm/Wesen alliances in the past, enough that the Wesenrein would have a rule about it? Or did they just make that up on the spot for added ammunition against Monroe?
posted by soundguy99 at 6:43 AM on January 27, 2015
Actually, when it comes to bloodthirsty Grimms that fear of the Wessenrein could be something they do as a service to the Wessen community. If the Grimm killing you is the scariest thing you can imagine then Nick's ancestors could use threats and violence to get Wessen cooperation. Tell me who else in the village is one of you or you and your family die. I can imagine a past Grimm deciding they'd let some Mauzhertz live if they'll turn over the Blutbotten. Or lying about it, at least.
Given that Blutbod seem to be over-represented in the Wessenrein there's even some additional reason for this interest. But even without that, a hidden community with members who can narc out others of their kind would want there to be a fate worse than getting Grimmed to death. By being that threat they help protect the larger community, even if how they do it is being super awful. So a charge of consorting makes sense - it makes individual Wessen more likely to die without telling anything to the Grimm.
Or it might just be used as a convenient charge to kill someone they wanted to kill anyway. Sometimes Wessen manage to talk to a Grimm without revealing themselves. Maybe you want the Wessen to shun the Grimm as much as possible. Or maybe you find out after the fact that they had an encounter at the tavern and this is a good way to kill that person whose land you have coveted all along. They can insist to the tribunal that they didn't know the person was a Grimm all along. I suspect I know how well such denials would play out.
posted by phearlez at 1:20 PM on January 27, 2015 [1 favorite]
Given that Blutbod seem to be over-represented in the Wessenrein there's even some additional reason for this interest. But even without that, a hidden community with members who can narc out others of their kind would want there to be a fate worse than getting Grimmed to death. By being that threat they help protect the larger community, even if how they do it is being super awful. So a charge of consorting makes sense - it makes individual Wessen more likely to die without telling anything to the Grimm.
Or it might just be used as a convenient charge to kill someone they wanted to kill anyway. Sometimes Wessen manage to talk to a Grimm without revealing themselves. Maybe you want the Wessen to shun the Grimm as much as possible. Or maybe you find out after the fact that they had an encounter at the tavern and this is a good way to kill that person whose land you have coveted all along. They can insist to the tribunal that they didn't know the person was a Grimm all along. I suspect I know how well such denials would play out.
posted by phearlez at 1:20 PM on January 27, 2015 [1 favorite]
soundguy99 I don't think Juliette will want to stay a Hexenbeast, but Lord knows what kind of nastiness she'll have to endure to remove her powers.
Well, this is a solved problem, no? Surely Nick can just (feed her some blood? I forget) like he did to remove Adaline's powers?
posted by coriolisdave at 10:56 PM on January 27, 2015
Well, this is a solved problem, no? Surely Nick can just (feed her some blood? I forget) like he did to remove Adaline's powers?
posted by coriolisdave at 10:56 PM on January 27, 2015
Maybe, yeah, but OTOH Adalind was born a Hexenbeast, while Juliette's Hexenbeast-ness seems to be an unexpected side effect of her being temporarily magically transformed into Adalind as part of the ritual for restoring Nick's Grimm power. So I wouldn't be surprised if the show figures those are two thoroughly different situations, and so removing Juliette's powers would need a different approach.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:16 AM on January 28, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by soundguy99 at 6:16 AM on January 28, 2015 [1 favorite]
Bud's scene at the trial was amazing. The way he portrays that stammering, backpedaling nervous energy is amazing. You can feel it. That guy is a good actor.
posted by ian1977 at 8:31 AM on January 30, 2015
posted by ian1977 at 8:31 AM on January 30, 2015
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I hope they don't let Juliette's hiding-the-truth-from-Nick plotline go on for very long though. Their relationship in the show has been so constantly plagued with deception and outside interference, it was so nice to see them finally acting in unison on the decision to get back Nick's Grimm abilities. I'd like to see more of that instead of a new round of 'I've got a secret', they could be an unstoppable tag team now.
I can't remember, has Hank ever seen Captain Reynard woge before? (I'm really enjoying seeing the evolution of the Monroe+Nick relationship in the TNT syndication, though I wish they were spaced out in a regular daily timeslot instead of the one-night 4-hour block so I wouldn't devour them all in one sitting.)
posted by oh yeah! at 9:45 PM on January 23, 2015